blogic - Props to you for your honesty and willingness to face this music head on. Most would just shut up and move on to something else, hoping it would just die down if left alone. (Huh? What documents?) You have my respect and admiration, if not my agreement in all things. Cheers, Daiwa
Rather's run out of his medication. Here is Rather quoted in today's paper: "This story is true. The questions we raised about then-Lieutenant Bush's National Guard service are serious and legitimate," he said. "Until and unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill." The guy's turned journalistic integrity completely on its
I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn that the Boston Globe, under the headline " Authenticity Backed on Bush Documents ," published an article today parroting the CBC.com defense, offering no proof whatsoever that the documents are genuine, lamely saying only that the documents could have been created with an IBM Selectric Composer. We know that to be untrue from the documentation @ http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/, of course. <B
zzzzt... In memory of the immortal Ron Zeigler: "This Article is Inoperative." ...zzzzt Cheers, Daiwa
As I've said in another related thread, that's the saddest job of (not) backing up a story I've ever seen. Absolutely pathetic, without a single shred of proof of authenticity of any of the documents they claim to be genuine. Whoever wrote that should be shown the same door they show Rather, as in the one they shouldn't let hit them in the ass on their way out. Cheers, Daiwa
As for "The difference between John Kerry and George Bush." I'll offer my one-worder: decency . Cheers, Daiwa
Those who are courageous and strong rarely live long enough to take the moral stand That's a pretty powerful indictment and actually supports those who criticize organized Islam. I suspect that you are right about some Muslim clerics being vocal in their opposition. It defies logic & common sense to t
I'm just fascinated with cases like this where esoteric, technical details most laymen wouldn't even consider suddenly start to become very important. The power in this story is that it was a collection of "laymen" who blew CBS out of the water. And without question, CBS is well and duly blown. <BR
"So... this story ain't over, folks." I hereby dispute myself. Drag is absolutely correct. It is over. Cheers, Daiwa
the signatures look a lot less authentic to me than anything else I agree, kingbee. Despite the CBS analyst's assertions, those signatures look far more suspect to me than the document contents. And there are some other tiny inconsistencies. The only documents in which the Lt abbreviation in
Aldebaran - Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't actually print the document, just viewed it, so the phenomenon you describe is very possible, and I should have remembered that. However, my meager efforts at understanding this are dwarfed by Draginol's link: http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/ <
Is it true... I don't know... but its damn interesting. historyishere - You're right - interesting. But not proof of anything. Cheers, Daiwa
Bunch of replies showed up while I was typin' my last one. Whew... tough to keep up. CBS has responded. Drudge has links. They are saying there are other "White House Releases" with the same font face. Well, it would have been a nice election with you Daiwa. But you certainly wouldn't go against your own word, would you
Fantastic reference, Drag. Very interesting. I'm no expert, but to my untrained eye it looks like even the signatures may have been forged. Add in that Staudt (if that reference is to the same person in question) had retired the year before the memo mentioning his name was allegedly written, and that Bush may have been gone from the address to which one of the memos was supposedly sent long before 1972, and things don't look too good for CBS
Hate to get too bogged down in what type of superscript was available on what kind of machine & when, but do you have a link to more info about the additional documents CBS cited today, kingbee? Might be a tad moot if the Staudt in question was indeed the one who retired a year before, but I'm interested anyway. Thanks, Daiwa
Actually, it is a coincidence of remarkable degree that using the default margins and font size (TNR 12pt) of an Office Word New Document Template duplicates the typography of the alleged memo so closely. You should try it - kinda fun. And I no longer accept as plausible the Kos argument that the Word document was "shrunk" to 400 pixels or whatever to force it to match or overlay. The only detail that doesn't quite fit is the "th" in 187th. The let
There seem to be a number of forensic document experts who, on initial review of non-original documents, are skeptical of the source documents' authenticity. Far as I know, CBS has not named their vetting experts and none have come forward. Original documents have not been made available, either. Daily Kos has made the case that the typography of the copies published "could" have been produced with typewriters in 1973, based on claims by third parti
stevendedalus - Four months ago? Am I missing something here? Dates I see referenced are 7 months ago and within the past 3 weeks. ShadowWar is quite correct about the difference in substance and tone when the two candidates are asked about each other's military service. And, Def - Come on. Name a single politician, just one , ever, who has not been calculating. Cheers, Daiwa
Well, there has to be some reason the unemployment rate is the same as it was in 1994. Cheers, Daiwa
Bungy - Look, either you accept the 9/11 Commission Report as credible or you don't - it also said there was no evidence of a link to the Saudi government or any evidence of "footsy" between Bush & the Saudis. But of course, Moore is just a fat slob who is obviously wrong all the time and only misrepresenting t
I am not sure how Tom Harken's incompetence (or CBS's for that matter) taints the Kerry campaign. Good. That means the SwiftBoat Vets haven't tainted Bush's campaign. Whew... that had me worried there for awhile. Cheers, Daiwa
What I've seen people asking for in most of the articles & replies here requires a matter of minutes - not decades or millenia. And no one has asked that Muslims be super human, just human. Mustering the courage to speak out against premeditated murder and sanctioned mayhem is what's been hoped for. I think you've over-reacted a bit, here, cacto. Cheers, Daiwa
You're right, though, it is cool. Cheers, Daiwa
I don't know... there's somethin' a tad spooky about that credit - caida. (kay'-duh) Cheers, Daiwa
I actually only object once . Cheers, Daiwa
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