[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="11" id="3200601"]I never said Illums were a good early unit. Rest is same as above, I'm looking at the per unit stats because that's what is always relevant. As you said, early on whether its feasible to get this or that depends a lot on game conditions at the time. All I did was prove that Seleuceia's claim that Defense vessels are more expensive under certain market conditions is true. Whether the typical multiplayer conditions prevent that from bein
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Sorry for the double post You can even see it: Illums Tier 3 tech is more expensive, three hostility temples is more expensive Buying crystal through the black market is more expensive with each purchase. Add the supply fleet unlock after builds. Plus economic scenario Flak flak has less cash requirements, less crystal requirements
[quote who="Volt_Cruelerz" reply="3" id="3200548"]Regardless of who's right, you could be a bit... Erm.. Gentler?[/quote] Its the facepalm effect. I'll try.. [quote who="GoaFan77" reply="6" id="3200557"] Quoting RiddleKing, reply 2Don't just join his band wagon and defend him because hes your buddy. Its no secret to those playing this game that crystal is the rarest resource and vasari have the best resource economy wh
[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="1" id="3200528"]To be fair you have less data than he does. You just told him things he didn't take into account without knowing exactly what those numbers are. That is not data. Its possible sources of error, but we have no number to judge what effect if any they will have. Actually prove him wrong and put up a replay with those income rates and see if they are important enough to disprove him. [/quote] Don't just join his band wagon an
[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="48" id="3199679"]No RiddleKing, you are misinformed...defense vessels cost about 5% more than illuminators and would take about 80% longer to build...flak in general is the most expensive and time consuming frigate to build in the game...[/quote] Seleuceia can be thick at sometimes but we are not going to hold it against him. He has the b
[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="48" id="3199679"]No RiddleKing, you are misinformed...defense vessels cost about 5% more than illuminators and would take about 80% longer to build...flak in general is the most expensive and time consuming frigate to build in the game...[/quote] Seleuceia can be thick at sometimes but we are not going to hold it against him. He has the b
Why do you do it? Why do you listen to what they have to say? I mean doesn't it hint maybe they is some element of mind control? I don't bend over to my friends ans listen to what they say. Most of the time friends talk bs 95% of the time. If you could say distinguish between the voices then which would be the best one? The one that tells you to be violent or the one that tells you lifes aweomse if your ignorant as hell?
Seleuceia just leveled up his troll experience points.. Mecha has some serious competition.
Forget the could be or should be suggestions Sareth and friends. Thats for another post. I'm not claiming i know anything about the AL but i wanted to add my following thoughts. The fear me ability for the advent is completely a question phrased in the wrong way. Unity, synergy, combo and collective technologies are what makes the AL so strong. ==The first set of Technologies are Culture== "Here the AL are immune to hos
[quote who="OddskiBoddski" reply="17" id="3199382"] Quoting Sinperium, reply 16No worries a lot of people post a lot of things they take seriously and shouldn't here. That's sort of why I posted this. It's the particular sort of insanity you develop when you are chained to a desk alone in a room working all day on a computer. ...at least, that's what the voices just told me. The voices talk to you too? [/quote]
lol this thread is so funny considering Seleuceia 's recent dear devs nerf the illum haha..i feel sorry for modders in general but this was ace because Modders just want to nerf everything lol.. Thanks for the humor Sinner [e digicons]k1[/e]
[quote who="Ekko_Tek" reply="42" id="3198719"] Did some tests to confirm this: 40 illuminators vs. 80 TEC corvettes Corvettes win, but with ridiculous losses (only about 25-30 survive) 50 illuminators vs. 100 TEC corvettes Corvettes win with same ridiculous losses (only about 40 survive) To put this into perspective: 75 LRMs vs. 100 TEC Corvettes Corvettes win with hardly any losses (about 70 survive) <br /
[quote who="Ekko_Tek" reply="39" id="3198639"]With breathing room or "find the time" and you can mass illuminators - isn't a good argument, it goes for anything. This is a case of numbers crunched in a vacuum vs. actual game play and timings. I still don't see how illuminators are going to be afforded massed unless the person is simply not being pressured at all. They're much more a mid game addition than the other LRFs. I'm not the most prolific player but I've still got
Destra flak has been used by Masterial and i have a broken replay for that.. Illums are whatever a players chooses, LRM or HC + Flak. This debate about the Kanraks does not take into account that that unit is designed to kill everything except corvettes while supported by Vasari's resource economy. Opening with illums is a fail.. so wen you say that you need breathing space to build them means its very situational. If you don't have breathing space then il
[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="33" id="3198529"] Quoting TheEvidence, reply 31AL don't suck balls at everything forever? I'm intrigued. (I insist on playing AL in spite of holding this opinion. Masochism? I dunno). They are the worst subfaction, but if they survive they can be brutal in fleet battles. The Coronata is actually pretty good with that passive damage debuff, and can steal enemy frigates if the going gets too tough. Combine with the standard Rapture, guardians
[Quote who="TheEvidence" reply="31" id="3198484"]On the one hand: AL don't suck balls at everything forever? I'm intrigued. (I insist on playing AL in spite of holding this opinion. Masochism? I dunno). On the other hand: Spamming only one ship type is gross. I mean... eugh. If that's the outcome of this issue then it just has to be fixed. Because gross. [/quote] Who opens
[quote quoting="post"] Damage table for Anti-Medium weapons (AKA as LRFs): Medium Armor 1.3333333 Very Light Armor 1.000000 That's right, LRFs are almost as good against corvettes as they are against light frigates...of course, this is easily overlooked since LRFs suck at turning and shooting the damn things....unless you are an ILLUMINATOR, in which case the sillly fighter behavior of corvettes doesn't matter...so what ends up happening is
The only constructive thing i could say is: " Lets all play as vasari rebels " [e digicons]:thumbsup:[/e]
the vasari just cheat with abilities so they may as well remove all weapons on their caps.
A discord's fracture is all that you need to destroy corvettes with flak and illums.. There armor is 0 during fracture and that for the high dps defense vessel can be insane dps on top of beams with point accuracy lockons. Manual casting scream during malice turns it into a turkey shoot.
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Illums are the best addition to a fleet after corvettes and flak. They allow you to tear enemy shields down with there point accuracy beams and lock on to enemy corvettes easily. Late game the repulsion combo is further strengthened by illums range to fire behind the barrier and there is no doubt in my mind that illums will always have a place in an advent fleet.
uum you build a titan and follow a path of conquest to the enemies home world! There-done-your a pro now [e digicons]:thumbsup:[/e]
[quote who="ARESIV" reply="20" id="3193688"] Quoting RiddleKing, reply 19Lets get back on point guys.. The discords are the culprits responsible for absolutely destroying other races with there mini Chastic Burst(scream) slash ability disabling slash armor debuff combos.. This alone can kill every race in the game before the real chastic burst supports the fleet. I don't see how any of the other races abilities