[quote]Fortunately, 'reasonable limits' are not yours to define. [/quote]And just as fortunately they are not yours to define either. However this does seem to imply that you are accepting of "some" definition of reasonable that perhaps falls short of having to answer to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the internet. If so that's at least some sign of progress. [quote]Furthermore, peer-reviewed crap is still crap. There is nothing about peer review which confers validity or truth on concl
[quote]I guess I should also destroy your little tobacco/anti agw 'connection'. http://www.answers.com/topic/al-gore[/quote]The fact that Al Gore grew or even continues to grow tobacco (if he does) hardly destroy's the documented connection between pro-tobacco and anti-AGW activity by the following organizations. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity
[quote] Defending your work goes with the territory; [/quote]Within reasonable limits, yes. However as was brought out in the Phil Jones testimony to Parliament it is not reasonable for a staff of 3 to have to respond to 60 FOIA requests. The number of incompetent idiots in the blogosphere approaches infinity. The number of scientists is far less than that. Name me one other branch of science that has to deal with the shit that climatologists have to deal with, physicists, no, chemist
[quote]Everything aside, how do we explain away climategate?[/quote]Climategate is a bunch of emails spread over the course of more than a dozen years which shows hardly anything more than the frustration that legitimate scientists would naturally have when confronted time and time again by the lies of tobacco (i.e. anti global warming) lobby frontmen. I put myself in the climate scientists position and wonder why in god's name should I supply some asshole my data and my models just s
[quote]Don't worry, no one would ever mistake you for someone practical in the application of available information outside your field of study. [/quote]Just as no one reading you could be sure you even graduated from high school. [quote]Comparing string theory to climatology is real hilarious by the way. Think about it for a while.[/quote]Yeah climatology is actually a "harder", as in more verifiable, science. String theory is far less proven than climatology yet it is far more accep
When some random nobody on the internet claims that they know more about string theory than Ed Whitten then I immediately know that they're full of shit.
[quote]You'll notice people like Mumbles jumping on something to say it's man made global warming if temps are higher then usual, then say 'oh well temps don't always increase' if it's lower then usual.[/quote]Please quote where I've ever said this because I never have. A single year in any direction proves nothing. However 60 years in one direction does seem to indicate a trend. The premise of the OP was an expression of incredulity that last January could be the warmest on r
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="111" id="2558027"]Clonmac COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARTICLE! Check the links again idiot. That was one of them. I did not post them all this time, as I was posting them in line and PICKED ONE. You admitted you did not read them. Now who is the idiot? Idiot. And I used the term this time of eugenics because it is simpler to use that. The last time, I was responding to someone else's statement, so I did not use
[quote]Also if you wish I can provide a list of quite a few scientific organizations that do have published position statements supporting AGW.[/quote] These Groups Say The Danger Of Manmade Global Warming Is A . . . FACT FRAUD U.S. Agency for International Development <div style="BACKGROUND: #e3e3ee; -moz-background-clip: -moz-
No one but a total idiot would believe that the existence of AGW requires that every single year be hotter than each previous year. There are many other cycles going on that affect global temperature that are all moving quasi-independently. There's the 11 year sunspot cycle that I've already referenced along with other even longer solar cycles, there's the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Atlantic multidecadal oscillation (AMO) just to name a
[quote who="djcityscapes" reply="101" id="2557722"]I would if I thought it would be beneficial. There's no amount of evidence that would change your mind. Even if we were 10 years into the next nice age, people like you would turn it around and demand action because after all, it must be our fault.[/quote]Untrue. In a previous discussion like this Brad asked a similar question. What would it take for me to consider that AGW was not true? At that point I made the statement which I stil
[quote]Then I guess Warmists are a bunch of eugenicists. Death to people is their motto. (Check the Comments, Clonmac cant find them)[/quote]You really are stupid. What does an article about "Man convicted for killing and eating China's last Indochinese tiger" have to do with AGW? And if you want to reference the comments you'll have to do a bit better than that, there are 25 *pages* of comments and you've given no hint as to what it is you're referencing. I'm certainly not do
[quote]Hello Mumbles![/quote]I've provided scientifically documented evidence that proves my assertion that temperature has increased while the sun's output has decreased. What scientifically documented evidence have you presented? None. If you're so smart then prove your case with something other than "who in their right mind could contemplate ..." Provide at least *some* credible evidence other than we should believe it simply because you say so.
[quote]The biggest joke of all is the sun. I mean, think about it. Who in their right mind would even contemplate that the sun of all things could have an impact on warming the planet??[/quote]No one has said that the sun has no effect on climate. There is not a single AGW proponent that has said such a thing. On the other hand it is totally simplistic to assume that the Sun is the *only* thing that has an impact on climate. It's those that believe that the Sun is the *
Climate sceptics are recycled critics of controls on tobacco and acid rain Climate-change deniers are channelling the tobacco industry A Climate Deniers take on Tobacc
[quote who="djcityscapes" reply="92" id="2556724"]Old and busted = Global Warming The New Hotness = Global Cooling The Ice Age Cometh: Experts Warn of Global Cooling It goes without saying this is the fault of evil SUV's and drastic measures are called for before its too late. [/quote]It's tough to tell whether you're joking or not. D'Aleo is a joke, ICECAP is a joke and the Heartland Institute is the biggest joke of all. <a href="http://w
Here's a great example of how denial works. Bill O'Reilly hosted a debate between Bill Nye the Science Guy and Accuweather meteorologist Joe Bastardi. It was a relatively short segment, slightly less than 7 minutes, and consisted of a lot of the same arguments that everyone here should be familiar with by now. While the debate itself is of interest that's really not what I want to point out. What I want to point out was a comment made by Bill O'Reilly at the beginning of
[quote]But why don't you play the game anymore?[/quote]No particular reason. In some sense it's that all good things do come to an end. Also it is a matter of just not having as much free time as I used to. Work's been hectic for quite awhile now and there just doesn't seem to be enough hours in the day to have time to play anything.
[quote]thanks for the vids Mumble[/quote]You're welcome. [quote]it is sad to see you hitting your head against a wall thread after thread[/quote]As I said I couldn't care less about what the deniers think. As long as there's someone willing to look at the evidence I post with an open mind then it's worth the effort.
I created this Tech Tree for DA ahwile back and I figured I may as well post it just in case it was of use to anyone. The only thing about it that's vaguely useful is that it fits on two 8-1/2" x 11" sheets of paper. I print them out and put them in a plastic sheet protector and have the entire DA Tech Tree in a readable and compact format. It beats having to reference a poster. Now if I could ever beat myself into playing again but that's a diff
[quote]refusing to share data was “standard practice”. One wonders why (well, actually, one does not wonder at all).[/quote]Non disclosure agreements. Some countries sell their data and require it not be disclosed. Others like Canada prefer to disseminate their own data (see video [3/5]). [quote]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100028050/climategate-a-lot-of-common-data-phil-jones-exposes-agw-dominoes-to-commons-committee/[/quote]Instead of a 7 paragraph summ
[quote]"Well, yes, the planet is warming at an alarming rate, but at this point we have only circumstantial evidence that this is attributable to man-made CO2. It's probably got more to do with paving paradise and putting up parking lots"[/quote]Actually there have been a few times when I've sensed a certain amount of reasonableness. Usually it can happen on the rare occasion when you can get someone to divorce their arguments about the science from their arguments about the politics. <p
[quote]Good to see that you and your wisdom are still around Mumblefratz! Have you already started playing DA?[/quote]I have a game of DA that I've started but haven't been able to beat myself into finishing. Work and life just seem to be bigger excuses than they used to be. Hopefully I'll get the time to get back into the game sooner or later but in any case I'm still around. I keep a pair of threads running in the Off-topic forum. Feel free to stop by and say hi but beware, I'm
The Final Nail in the Coffin of Anthropogenic Global Warming. First there was Climategate. Then there were the Himalayan glaciers. Then there was Snowmageddon. "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain Recently there have been so many nails in the coffin of Anthropogenic Global Warming that I could build a house. To bad none of them are worth the paper they're not printed on. Here's a few obs
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