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Reading it in context the case is pretty clear Lula. The Popes, Biships, and Cardinals violate this exact scripture. Don't they call the pope "Holy Father?" Did you not notice Jesus saying "you are all brethren." It's very clear he didn't set up a hierarchy anywhere. Catholics do not call Pope Benedict XVI, "Holy Father" in the same sense as that in which we call God our Father. The same goes for priests, calling them "Father". A priest by GOd's pr

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these are just a sampling to show that we CANNOT be good enough. If our heart is evil how good can we be? Of course, we can be good enough ...just as our children can be good enough when they obey us, when they do what they are told. It's not our hearts that condemn us, it's our sinful actions. Look, Christianity is a relationship with Almighty God. A relationship is a two way thing. Jesus loves us and we must love Him back. How do

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KFC POSTS: My husband just returned from Poland. The RCC has a very powerful influence there. They pretty much run the government over there. The large city he was in (Tarnow) was largely owned by the CC. If you wanted to start a business or rent an apartment, the chances were the titles of these buildings or business were held by the most powerful RCC. They owned most everything. You don't move over there without their approval. In the middle of this town is

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That’s why Catholics call our priests, ‘father’ Jesus said: ....and love the uppermost rooms at feasts and the chief seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets, and to be caled of men, Rabbi Rabbi But be not called Rabbi for one is your Master even Christ; and all you are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth; for one is your Father which is in heaven. Neither be called Masters; for one is your Master even Christ. But he that

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Just a follow-up on Smyrna. During his stay in Smyrna around 110, St.Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, and one of the Church Fathers, wrote his famous Letters to the Chruches of Ephesus, Magnesia, Tralles, and after his departure he wrote a Letter to the Church at Smyrna and another to BIshop Polycarp. Under Decius in the 3rd century, Pionus suffered martyrdom in Smyrna; Eusebius of Caesarea wrote the account. The scene of frequesnt battles during the centuries, Smyrna w

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LULAPILGRIM POSTS: Baptism cleanses us of our sins and brings the Holy Spirit and His grace (sanctifying grace) into our souls Acts.2:38, 22:16. By our Baptism we become Christians, made a member of the Church and in the Mystical Body of Christ, children of God and heirs to the kingdom of Heaven. KFC POSTS: we've already been around and around on "water" baptism...which is a work. It's something WE do. I do not believe we are cleansed by "water" bap

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KFC POSTS: our salvation has nothing to do with us being good at all.... LULAPILGRIM POSTS: If you say so, ....I totally disagree. KFC POSTS: ok fair enough, but what do you do with the scripture I put down regarding this topic? "the heart is deceitful above all things; and desperately wicked; who can know it?" Jer 17:9 "there is none righteous, no not one, There is none that understands there is none that seek after God. Romans 3:1

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BAKERSTREET POSTS #62: All those points cut into your use of that scripture to prove an eternal, unbroken chain of apostolic succession. They didn't say "the multitudes will pick and we'll give the final okay". They didn't say "go choose our successors". They simply said they didn't have time to handle the squabbles over charity and told people to go find others to do the job. I find nothing there that claims these men were successors, or that those

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BAKERSTREET POSTS #51 Lulapilgrim posts: "The succession in the episcopal function that has been entrusted to us by the Lord. The link between the College of Bishops and the original Apostles is understood and seen in historical continuity. Associated to the Twelve is first Matthias, and then Paul, and afterward Barnabas and later others, up to the second and third generation of the ministry of the bishop. Therefore, continuity is expressed in this histo

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Acts 6: 1-7, 1 "And in those days , the number of the disciples increasing, there arose a murmoring of the Greeks against the Hebrews, for that their widows were neglected in the daily administration. 2 Hence, the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: it is not reason that we should leave the word of God , and serve tables . 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of good reputation , full of the Holy Ghost

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KFC POSTS #23 How can I lose a gift that Christ gave to me? Since Salvation is a gift from God, is he going to take it back if I'm not GOOD ENOUGH? How can I lose his payment for sin? Can God declare me guilty after he has already declared me not guilty? KFC POSTS: How can I lose a gift that Christ gave to me? Since Salvation is a gift from God, is he going to take it back if I'm not GOOD ENOUGH? Thess are rather odd q

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KFC POSTS: LittleWhip, Why don't you join us? Ditto. The water is fine.

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KFC POSTS: Christ said....you must be born again. Once born again, how do you get unborn? It's impossible. If "born again" is Baptism as in St.John 3:3,5, I agree 100%. Once baptized, always baptized. There is no getting un-baptized. This is what the Church teaches on St.John 3:3,5. Because of Original Sin we are born without grace in our souls, so there is no way for us to have fellowship with God. Jesus became Man

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KFC POSTS: Read Romans. It speaks alot of this. We are justified (once) and sanctified (ongoing). Once justified that's it. It's like being set free. The word is "dikaioo" and means declared righteous, not guilty. It means pardoned with no parole (no conditions). Sanctification is an ongoing process. It's like refining. I agree that our santification is an ongoing process....however with conditions and some of those are found in those Scriptural passages

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KFC POSTS: our salvation has nothing to do with us being good at all.... If you say so, ....I totally disagree.

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LULA POSTS: I stand by what I wrote. The truth is that by Christ’s death we are ALL redeemed ---every person born in this world is redeemed----- KFC POSTS: where are you getting this from? What scripture? Was Judas redeemed? Hitler? To me, redemption and salvation isn't the same thing. By "all redeemed", I meant Christ died for all, however, not all accepted the fruits of His redemption. Remember we mentio

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Hi Bakerstreet, I'm pressed for time and will get back to you with more detail on this as well as respond to your previous post. You point is well taken. Concerning the reason the Apostles needed some to appoint others was twofold--to take care of the menial labor...and also to choose 7 good men whom the Apostles themselves layed hands on and thereby ordained as deacons.

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LULA POSTS: (3) when one's works are not in accordance with faith, then one's faith is dead and useless. a workless faith is a dead faith. This faith does not bring others to Christ..so it doesn't save, serve, or survive. But remember this is works...which is fruit. You can still have crappy fruit or not much fruit and still be saved. Remember I said not to get your fruit and root mixed up? Yes, I think this is tru

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Lulapilgrim posts: Once you have accepted Him, you can do anything you want and not lose your salvation... No matter what the person does the remainder of their life---be it living godly or living evilly, their salvation is assured. It makes no difference how one lives or ends their lives. KFC POSTS: Yes, but if you are truly saved and understand the gift that was given you, you in return are very grateful to God and will not try to offend him. You t

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lITTLE WHIP POSTS: lula, you talk about 'works' a lot. Hey, Little-Whip, thanks for reading, your input and I'm glad you're staying tuned. In my own defense: Trust me, if I talked about 'works' a lot, you would know it...as that's a fascinating body of theology in and of itself. Truly, I've tried to avoid "works" preferring to keep focused on the question of whether or not there is a biblical foundation of absolute guarante

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KFC POSTS: You totally discounted what I said regarding Acts 1:21-22. This is a common tactic Lula. Leave the discussed passage and go to find something else that will back you up. You're the one that brought that passage to the table and then run when I show you CLEARLY what was said by examining it in context. Well, excuuuuse me, as I thought I did a stand up job in responding to your point and defending my own. This is what you

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LULAPILGRIM POSTS: Of faith and works, St.James 2:18 sums it up. “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works”. Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.” St. James is explaining the relationship between faith and works. Both are necessary for saving justification but in different ways and for different reasons. KFC POSTS: "Yes a man may say, you have faith, and I have works; show me your faith wi

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LULAPILGRIM POSTS: Of faith and works, St.James 2:18 sums it up. “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works”. Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.” St. James is explaining the relationship between faith and works. Both are necessary for saving justification but in different ways and for different reasons. you are hung up on works Lula. Okay, let's take a close look at James 2:18 "Yes a

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LULA POSTS: Of faith and works, St.James 2:18 sums it up. “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works”. Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.” St. James is explaining the relationship between faith and works. Both are necessary for saving justification but in different ways and for different reasons. KFC POSTS: you are hung up on works Lula. Gee, all I did was post t

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Have you been saved? Don't you wish you had an assurance of Salvation? "Born again" Fundamentalists and Evangelicals claim to be absolutely sure of going to Heaven immediately after death. They conclude from Scripture that Heaven is theirs for a one-time simple act of "accepting Christ as their personal savior". The person acknowledges his sins, accepts Jesus, says the sinner’s prayer, and is “saved”. It’s a done deal...that’s true assurance. "Once saved, always saved", no matter what