KFC POSTS: What they were saying is there were qualifications to be an Apostle. One had to have been in and among them WITH Jesus, knowing HIM personally and had to be a witness of the resurrection. That's why we DO NOT believe in Apostolic Succession. There are none qualified to be Apostles today. Let's get back to Acts 6:2-7, "And THE TWELVE summoned the body of the disciples and said, 'it is not right that we should giv
KFC POSTS: There is no such thing as Apostolic succession in scripture. It's a church doctrine not a biblical doctrine. This is where tradition trumps the bible. What they were saying is there were qualifications to be an Apostle. One had to have been in and among them WITH Jesus, knowing HIM personally and had to be a witness of the resurrection. That's why we DO NOT believe in Apostolic Succession. There are none qualified to be Apostles toda
KFC POSTS: We are not saved by our good works. We are saved to DO good works. Our works do not save us. LULAPILGRIM POSTS: but Scripture does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of Heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of Heaven. KFC POSTS: I disagree. It's all over the place. You still haven't answered my question. If we are to "earn" our way to heaven, why did Christ have to d
LULAPILGRIM POSTS: “He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches: He who shall overcome, shall not be hurt by the second death.”---This passage provides us with an entire program for living. Be faithful with an enduring loyalty to the love of Christ. If we want to be saved, we must persevere to the end. Whatever may come whatever may happen, keep the faith no matter how difficult the obstacle, no matter if the ground gives way under o
Does it make any sense to say that salvation is offered as a solution for our sin and then turn around and teach that salvation can be taken away because of our sin as well? Catholic doctrine teaches that Christ died for the purpose of saving sinners. But note this. Christ did not die to save sinners unconditionally, as if His death means that all sinners are necessarily saved. His death provides salvation for all who are willing to comply
KFC POSTS: well since I only did this once I guess I can't be dogmatic in saying they don't check ID's. I only know they didn't check mine for this one time and I did not sign my check which I thought was just plain wrong. I might as well use cash the next time I go in. At least I have some control.....heh....while I still can. KFC, Very good, thought provoking article on your experience at Walmart. I'm late getting in and haven't read every post, so ex
This does not mean that all Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation. That's why I quoted St.Paul Rom. 6:3-4 and 2Tim. 2:11-12. Yes, Scripture makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation that God will be true to His word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to Him (1St.John 3:19-24), but Scripture does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of Heaven
KFC POSTS: Two examples come to mind quickly. One is Adam and Eve and the other is Peter. All three denied him or rebelled against him. But God remained faithful to them. They had to pay the consequences, yes, but he never took their position in him away from them. Never does he do this. Wait a minute. Adam and Eve both sinned, yes. But what happened after this? As I read it, they were ashamed of themselves for what they had done. They didn't remain hard
LULA POSTS: This does not mean that all Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation. That's why I quoted St.Paul Rom. 6:3-4 and 2Tim. 2:11-12. KFC POSTS: actually this one in Timothy doesn't back you up very well. This is saying that even when we are not faithful he remains faithful. This is one of the best eternal security scriptures out there. What Timothy was saying was even when we are weak, he remain
KFC POSTS: But you're saying.....John spoke of us being overcomers in Revelation right? So exactly what is the definition of an overcomer? John gives us the definition in 1 John 5:4-5 "For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world and this is the victory that overcomes the world even our faith . Who is he that overcomes the world but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" So all born again Christians are called overcomers. It's beca
KFC POSTS: if we have to earn our way....why did Christ die? We're running smack into "works based" vs "Faith alone" theology, and I know which side of the fence you're on. I'm on the other. "Works based" vs "Faith ALone" concerns what must we do to be saved...and I join with you in not wanting to go there in this particular discussion. I thought, based on your saying, "we cannot lose our salvation
KFC POSTS: our perserverance is EVIDENCE of our salvation I agree. Our perseverance is evidence of our salvation, not assurance of it, even for so-called "saved" CHristians.
11“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’ KFC POSTS: So I'm only referring to the "saved" Christians. That is who Christ is addressing here. He's talking to the "church" The "church" is the one that is representing him. This church is representing him correctly...doing so well he has no condemnation for them.
KFC POSTS: We cannot lose our salvation. It's not contingent on OUR faithfulness Our eternal salvation isn't contingent on our own faithfulness? Once saved, always saved! C'mon? Read again what you are saying. Do you think those (most probably baptized) Christians of the Church of Smyrna who gave in to temptation, acted as pagans and emperor-worshipped did not lose their salvation? This is the whole object lesson of the 7 churches, particularly the Churc
LULA POSTS: The Apoc.2:11, “He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches: He who shall overcome , shall not be hurt by the second death.” KFC POSTS: It's not about us being overcomers which is what you're referring to here. It's about his overcoming for us. KFC, we know in v. 11 that Christ is telling St.John to write to the Church of Smyrna and tell them that they
KFC WRITES: 10“Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’ The Apoc.2:10-11, “Fear none of those things whi
KFC WRITES: 9“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. The Apoc. 2:9, “I know thy tribulation and thy poverty , but you are rich : and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” “ thy poverty ” ----The Church of Smyrna had to endure pers
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: The Apoc. 2:8, “And to the angel of the church of Smyrna write: These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and is alive:” Christ introduces Himself here with the titles which acknowledge Him as the Eternal Being and the victor over corporeal death 1:17. Here, in view of the life and death per
KFC WRITES: John is now instructed to write a letter to the church at Smyrna. This is what was written: Smyrna, a town of about 200,000 in John's day was about 35 miles away from Ephesus in Asia Minor founded about three centuries before Christ by Alexander the Great. This big city was next in line along what we've been calling the postal route or circuit of churches with the first being Ephesus. This city was fi
KFC POSTS: First off there were NO priests ordained in the NT. None. Read Acts 14 again. The Lord began it with the Twelve who represented the future of the People of God. In fidelity to the mandate received from the Lord, initially the Twelve, after his Ascension, completed their number with the election of Matthias to replace Judas (cf. Acts 1:15-26), and later they associate others progressively to the functions entrusted to them to continue their mi
LULAPILGRIM POSTS: The prophecy of Isaias 63: 1-6 has been fulfilled. The poem refers to a victory that appears to have 2 different effects. On the one hand, victory is obtained after a very real and bloody struggle, symbolized by the treading of the wine press and it ends with bloody stained clothes v.3. The conquerer works on his own unaided v. 5. On the other hand, his victory over the enemy means redemption for his people, and the conquerer is first and foremos
KFC POSTS: I looked at that ending again. It's diff than the vengeance mentioned in Isaiah. Here it's saying "preaching the day of the reward." So it could still fall under the first coming so that's not the issue so much as where did those 5 extra words come from? Not Isaiah right? I don't have that in either Isaiah or Luke. So why does the DR have it? Isaias 61 is basically the same in the Douay Rheims and the King James version. In St.L
I'm thinking your last five words is just worded diff? Are you sure it's in Luke and not Isaiah? Mine says "and the day of vengeance of our God to comfort all that mourn." Yours is saying reward. Both speak of 2nd coming. That's my whole point. Here are both passages from the Douay Rheims version: Isaias 61:1-2, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, becasue the Lord hath anointed me: he hath sent me to preach
KFC POSTS: okay, then let's hear from Jesus himself when he quoted the OT book of Isaiah shall we? Look at Luke 4:14-21. I'll quote just a portion. And there was delivered to him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, "The spirit of the Lord is upon me becuse he has annointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted to preach deliverance to the captives and
Some follow up history from the Catholic Encyclopedia on Ephesus: A large Jewish colony had rights of citicenship, free practice of its religion and its own juridical process. On St.Paul's first visit during his second missionary journey, he found disciples from St.John the Baptist and Judeo-Christians under the leadership of Appollos. During his third journey, he spent almost 3 years teaching mainly pagan converts in the lecture hall of the rhetorician Tyrannus. Other persons mentioned
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