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Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

VERSE 16, "in His right hand he held seven stars, from His mouth issued a sharp two edged sword, and His face was like the sun shining in full strength." V. 20, the end of the apparation, we see the seven stars which stand for the angels of the 7 churches and Our Lord’s holding them in His right hand is a sign of His power and providence. As you mentioned earlier in your paragraph about the angels, KFC, Catholics also see these angels as representatives of God who are ch

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: His voice was like the sound of rushing waters. Now imagine John on this Island listening to the waves crashing against the rocks. What does he mean by this description? I would imagine he's explaining the overpowering strength in His voice, maybe the loudness of it. Daniel comes up with a similar description in 10:5-6 and Ezekiel in 43:2. Out of His mouth comes a sword in action. We know from other scriptures that this sword is the Word of God (Hebrew 4:12

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC POSTS: Well I didn't think of this so much but yes, I'd agree but not sure about the part about the golden girdle and kingship? What's the connection? From 1Machabees 10:89 "And he sent him a buckle of gold, as the custom is, to be given to such that are of the royal blood. And he gave him Accaron and all the borders thereof in possession." The golden girdle was a distinctive garment for Priests and kings.

Reply to Mormomism and Christianity are not the same in Politics JoeUser Forums

BAKERSTREET POSTS: If Romney is the candidate and anyone votes Dem because he isn't "Christian" they need to have their head examined. Well said, BS, well said.

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: Notice His head and hair were white. This word means brilliant. John is writing in his own words what he's seeing. Most likely he's seeing a hot white light or a halo and is trying to put it in words that are hard to describe. Daniel had the same thoughts as he wrote this in 7:9: “I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool."<b

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KFC WRITES: In v13-16 he describes Christ. It had been 60 years since he had last seen Jesus. He now would see him differently than before when he walked with him. He mentions his garment, golden band, head and hair, His eyes and feet, His voice, right hand, face and mouth. V. 13, “And in the midst of the 7 golden candlesticks, one like to the Son of man, ...” The form in which the Lord is seen in the midst of His Church reminds us of the “Son

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC POSTS: Well it does make a difference in how you view Revelation and Daniel. Do you think it's future or do you think it's all fullfilled and past? It would be a good idea, as we go along, if you look at both views carefully. I haven't read through Revelation yet, and from what I've read so far, both from my own private reading and your posts, St.John writes on events of his time and he quotes phrases from Daniel quite a bit so we may be s

Reply to What's Up With That? in Religion JoeUser Forums

Hello So Haido, Thank you for your expressions of Zen practice. I found this discussion most interesting. Your description of Zen is much different from what I've read in books. Perhaps Zen can be different things to different people. In any event, while you are interesting, I can tell that Zen Buddhism does not interest me in the least...just not my cup of tea. This past Sunday, the Scripture that was read while celebrating Mass concerned being joyful..and I thought of you a

Reply to Revelation 1:4-8 in Religion JoeUser Forums

you know Lula, every time you get cornered out comes the Luther and Protestant talk.....and the Eucharist. Do you notice this? Funny, KFC, that you're the one who is buying into the false Protestant talk of Luther, et al, who said Christ didn't really mean it when He said, This IS My Body....take and eat...this is the bread of life" and you say I'm the one that's in a corner. No way, I'm not the one in denial of our Lord's Real Presence in the Holy Euc

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

So what are you Lula....a Preterist or a Futurist? KFC, you are the one with the labels. No one knows for sure the date of John's writing the Book of Revelation. We've already discussed that some think St.John wrote in 68 AD and some think he wrote in 95-96 AD. For me, the time that he wrote isn't going to change what he says or the event he's writing about. Furthermore, what he writes points just as much to the times in which he's wr

Reply to Jesus - Habitual Liar? in Religion JoeUser Forums

have spoke with clergy on questions like this. most of time, the answers are not satisfactory to me and remind me more of political rhetoric more than scripture or the interpretation of. I'd advise to keep trying by asking other priests if the occasion arises. I am somewhat surprised to hear that the priest answered more in political rhetoric than theological. Most priests, not all, stay away from not only the rhetoric, but also politics itself. I thi

Reply to The Anti-Christ Shall Be Jewish in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC POSTS: This is the Preterist view that Lula believes in as well. I understand the view. Yes, there were abominations like Epiphanes and the destruction of the temple. Yes, Christ was talking about both in Matt 24 and in Luke 21. Some was immediate future (70AD) and some was far off future (tribulation). That's where the confusion comes in. LULAPILGRIM POSTS: There is a mighty big difference between Judaism and biblical

Reply to Revelation 1:4-8 in Religion JoeUser Forums

Remember Lula, the bread remains bread but REPRESENTS His body. It is an illustration such as "I am the door." KFC, there is no logical parallel between the words, "This is My Body" and "I am the door." The image of a door can have of its very nature a symbolic sense. Christ is like a door since I have to go to Heaven through Him. But a wafer of bread is in no way like His Flesh. Of its very nature it can't symbolize the actual body of Christ. <br

Reply to The Anti-Christ Shall Be Jewish in Religion JoeUser Forums

The Preterist viewpoint seeks to end God's favor of the Jews. There is no end of Judaism as Lula has said. He made it perfectly clear in lots of places he's not done with them yet. Paul said this for instance: "I would not brethren (Gentile Christians) that you should be ignorant of this mystery lest you should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall

Reply to The Anti-Christ Shall Be Jewish in Religion JoeUser Forums

Lula: LOL means "laughing out loud." At least in my book of net definitions....lol. Thanks FKC, now I know. I thought it meant "love of life". My mom always use to say that to us (I'm one of 9) usually when she was annoyed, frustrated or exasperated. She'd say, oh, for the love of life, blah, blah, .....

Reply to The Anti-Christ Shall Be Jewish in Religion JoeUser Forums

OMG Lula I'm so slow I didn't even know what that stood for It took me quite a while to figure out "btw" , and I still don't know what "lol" means. Anyone want to clue me in?

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KFC POSTS: Interesting Lula...ok then who is the prince of v26 right before it says..."he" in v27? Just for interest sake, I'll quote Daniel 9:26 from 3 different Bibles. Douay Rheims has Daniel 9:26, "And after 62 weeks, Christ shall be slain: and the people who deny Him shall not be His. And a people with their leader shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after th

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KFC POSTS: What covenant did Antiochus make and then break halfway thru the seven years (9:27). And why you're at it, have you even looked at how long Antiochus was "doing his thing?" Historically, Antiochus, king of Syria, in 172 BC, took Jerusalem by force, and later desecrated the Temple setting up a pagan altar, which in the First Book of Machabees is called the "abomination of desolation" an expression used by Daniel 9:27. In ans

Reply to Jesus - Habitual Liar? in Religion JoeUser Forums

Sean, first and foremost, my heartiest congratulations to you and yours, especially your son for making his First Holy Communion. I can still remember mine oh so many years ago. It's truly a big deal in the Catholic life....receiving Our Lord's precious Body and BLood in the Holy Eucharist, the manna from Heaven. but chipping off 1 of a multitude is hardly enough Hardly enough? I chipped away at a couple of the passages you cited, and I th

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: John is being told to write this down. This is pretty cool when you think of it. As far as I know---a first! Jesus had commanded the Apostles to preach the Gospel by word of mouth. This time it’s different. The command is extended to a preaching by the written word. The Seer is shown the truth through visions and is told to write that down. This time, the word of God is to be passed on in writing to the 7 churches. The bo

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: We see here that John was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. Simply put he was worshipping God on Sunday. Here he is having a vision. He's not asleep but is experiencing a supernatural event. He is about to see things in a real and tangible way to pass on to us. First he hears a loud voice as a trumpet. Imagine, on this quiet island, a loud trumpet just before he hears the words. Right. It happened on “the Lord’s Day” when the Spirit of God came

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: The first thing we see is John doesn't exalt himself. He describes himself as their companion and their brother. This was a belief that permeated the early church. True, KFC. You’ve done a great job thoroughly explaining this. The pastoral solicitude leads St.John to show solidarity with the affliction of Christians of his day. He consoles them knowing well what he has learned from Jesus and from his own experience that fidelty to the Gosp

Reply to Revelation 1:9-20 in Religion JoeUser Forums

KFC WRITES: John gives us a brief description about the background of his writing. As we said earlier, he was exiled for preaching the gospel. The Island of Patmos was about 40-50 miles off the coast of Ephesus. It was a small island about 6 x 10 miles and very rocky. It was a penal colony, a place where prisoners were sent to. Why was John exiled for preaching? The emperors of this time thought they were God. They elevated themselves in the place of God and to preach a

Reply to Revelation 1:4-8 in Religion JoeUser Forums

LULAPILGRIM POSTS: Finally, Christ ordered them to offer sacrifice to God. At the Last Supper, He said, "This is My Body which is given for you, this is My Blood which is shed for you, do this in commemmoration of Me and as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink this chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until He come." 1Cor.11:24-26. KFC POSTS: Now for this scripture. The key word is "commemmoration." I

Reply to The Anti-Christ Shall Be Jewish in Religion JoeUser Forums

Throughout this thread, we have seen that a number of biblical texts refer to events now in the past and some clearly point toward “the end of days” Dan 12:13. Given the cryptic and often symbolic language in these texts, it’s easy to see how each one's different interpretation of them are often contradictory. Discussions that attempt to answer the who, when, and where questions concerning Antichrist inevitably leads to 'end times' speculation. The Catholic Church warns believers to avoid futil