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Ok, this is getting a bit fuzzy now. The whole prophetic deal is God's deal. There is too much to do otherwise...Matt 28. KFC, do a word study on "nations" in Greek and Hebrew and see how that all fits into Gen. 12. Also, if God blessed people like Ahab and or any land around them it was not because they "helped" Israel, it was because they recognized and honored the One True God, the God of Israel. This was Israel's duty as w

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Lula, That is cool. I appreciate St. Augustine as well. I guess you are not protestant background then. No prob. Got to see the Pope in Germany last year. Actually, now I work in and around a lot of Orthodox folk and they believe everyone else, including the Vatican are wrong. But we talk about Jesus. Luther is good to bring in when it comes to Macarthur and his style of santification.

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America needs to repent not of our sins but of our righteous behavior...the righteousness that we thing saves us.

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KFC, You said, We do know, that "all the nations" are going into Israel to invade it. Where are we? We do know that other nations have been wanting to do this for quite some time, but have been stopped because of our protection. This is fact. This is the protection that we earned because we protected Israel? We earned this favor from God and now we are in danger of losing this protection because of our behavior?</font

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Lula, Lula, I agree with you... Colossians 3:3 "For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God." This is our assurance, blessed assurance. When God looks at me He sees Christ.

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KFC, The other thing you should do is look at the word "nations" as translated in the English texts. In Greek and other languages it comes across roughly as "ethne" or ethnic group. It does not come across as our modern concept of the "nation state." It is not translated as a political nation or group, rather a "nation" is an ethnic group or people group.

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KFC, You said, In the case of the two nations, Israel and America. I believe God chose both for a purpose to further his glory to shed light to the other nations by following him. I've said before I believe our country was set up for the express purpose of protecting Israel. Without us Israel would no longer be here and look how young we are. This is a pretty massive theological statement here. You also are stating t

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I lived near Macarthur's church in L.A. and never belonged myself, I ministered along side many who did consistently go there. I do know he preaches salvation by grace. Even if Macarthur was preaching to already Christians he is still calling people to " hear the word of the Lord and obey" and then God will bless the land. That is not grace. There are many out there that have accepted salvation by grace + something else to get to santifi

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Lula, you replied to a couple of things that I needed to further explain as well. Don't worry I am not promoting heresy here. We are all sinners and we do need to obey follow the law of God and we can only fulfill or accomplish that through Jesus Christ. I am in no way saying that "freedom in Christ" means you are free to live the way you want. That is heretical. As followers of Christ we do obey out of love and joy for what Christ has done for u

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Reply By: lulapilgrim Posted: Saturday, June 09, 2007 IGNAT LOYOLA POSTS:• The gospel tells us that sin can’t ultimately bring us into condemnation (Rom 8:1). Its heinousness is therefore what it does to God; it displeases and dishonors him.Scripture most definitely tells us that sin will bring us to condemnation. Lula, I agree with you totally. The "sin" that does not bring us into condemnation is for the believer, but absolutely f

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KFC, You said the below... I don't think so at all. Yes, some may draw that conclusion but MacArthur's heart is for us to get right with God and everything else will fall into place. He's not speaking about us cleaning up our act outside of calling on God. . He's calling us to go to God for cleansing first. When God cleans us up, then we will clean up our act in order to please the God who forgave us. We realize at that point that

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Here is the real issue with the whole sermon on "Has God Abandoned America?" It is driving us to be self-righteous and earn favor from God. This line of thought is driving us to be moralists and depend on our deeds to please God. Moralists and religious people seek to be their own saviors and lords through religion, “religious” pride. (”I am more moral and spiritual than other people, so God owes me to listen to my prayers and take me to hea

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Here are two quotes to chew on as well. The first from Martin Luther on righteousness and one from Richard Lovelace. There is a righteousness which Paul calls “the righteousness of faith.” God imputes it to us apart from our works — in other words, it is passive righteousness… So then, have we nothing to do to obtain this righteousness? No, nothing at all! For this righteousness comes by doing nothing, hearing nothing, knowing

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Here is an explanation of "repenting of our righteousness." This is basically looking at the sin underneath all of our sins. Why do we do the things that are good? Why should we live a good moral life? The Pharisees did. Then why did Jesus blast them and tell the people that "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners" (Matt 9;13) The gospel is: “I am accepted through Christ, therefore I obey.” Religion is: “Iobey, therefore

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For some really good sermons check out the guy that wrote that: Dr. Timothy Keller at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC. This is no ordinary church and no ordinary preacher...sorry Dr. Macarthur. The sermon following 9-11 is exellent. Not the normal doom and gloom and blaming someone's sin on the attack. Very Gospel oriented. http://sermons.redeemer.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=11&CFID=944663&CFTOK

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I heard this message from John Macarthur it and it was extremely legalistic and moralistic. What is moralism? Moralism is legalism taken outside of the Church (our leading export, it seems). It judges others solely based on specific behaviors (particularly sexual mores), much like the Pharisees judged others. It typically condemns rather than reaches out. It expects unbelievers to act as righteous as believers (or even more so). In addition to the tend