Mason, you crack me up! Is "C" religious? I'd be interested to know if she was. She seems like she might be. "its a piece of cloth" ~ It makes me wonder who thought of tieing that stupid piece of cloth around your neck like that.
I'm not sure how a discussion formed about if Jesus existed or not, but there is enough historical evidence (outside the New Testament as well) that he existed. p.s. please no recap either.
[quote who="Starstriker1" reply="19" id="2317206"] Alright, fine, I'll concede the point. You've got some good arguments for the word "religion" being applicable to atheists. However, that's using the word so broadly that... well, what's the point? What does it even mean anymore? To create a completely fictionalized (I think?) example, what if the word "apple" could be broadly interpreted to mean any sort of fruit? Sure, most people would use it for the original purpose,
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="11" id="2316189"]Furthermore, the assertion presupposes that all montly checkups would detect a pancreatic cancer at an early stage, and they wouldn't. It would be great if everyone got Supreme Court Care with monthly checkups paid for by somebody else, but that ain't what's being proposed. The amount of money expended to detect one case of pancreatic cancer using that approach would be astronomical.[/quote] I didn't use the ALL statement where yo
Leauki, I liked your Sim City analogy. That's a good game. Interesting yet it couldn't hold my attention for long hours. I liked Sim City 2000, but there was only so much I could take (for 2000 the scenarios were really good) then it was the eventual dooms day of disasters break out. It would be nice if they added a zombie disasters (grant it you couldn't see it break out) or 4 horseman of the Apocalpyse disaster. Sorry this has nothing to do the current
[quote who="Infidel" reply="17" id="2316073"][quote]I have moved this discussion to: https://forums.joeuser.com/360111[/quote] WTF? This isn't your thread and the link doesn't work.[/quote] I didn't move the whole discussion (as was stated its not my thread) what I moved was the current discouse. https://forums.joeuser.com/360111 Leauki can also voice his angst against me for moving the current discourse to another location and if he does
On a final note, why is it necessary for the entire population to be insured? If people in the U.S would realize is that what is more important than everyone getting insured is that if we had a better system of preventive medicine/health. This would drastically cut down cost because usually illnesses/diseases ect ect tend to get more expensive to treat in the later stages as that they go undetected compared to if they are caught earlier.<a class="l" onmousedown="return rwt(this,'','','r
[quote who="Littleboy" comment="1"] I haven't had much interaction with the health care system in the US yet (and would like to keep it that way!), so I can't really make any meaningful comparison between a "government" run healthcare system and a private insurance system. The one system I have experience with is the French one (not really a perfect example of how to run things, but an useful source of data nonetheless). It's kind of an hybrid system: basic healthcare is pro
[quote]Yeah, it's in Webster, but Webster covers all the bases, and that isn't the usage that the word "religion" usually recieves in regular discourse, meaning that when applied to atheistic philosophies it's carrying rhetorical baggage that no longer applies with such a broad definition.[/quote] Take it up with webster's if you feel that they have incorrectly defined a word. A dictionary is to be an authority on words. [quote]Now, while I'm being a nitpicky, peda
[quote]but it's a hell of a stretch to say the unique beliefs of a single person constitutes a "religion".[/quote][quote]My statement about atheism often being a "religion of one" is perfectly fucking valid.[/quote] Which is it? Fallacy of ambiguilty is going on here. [quote]There are no sets of agreed upon principles or traditions among atheists, no system of attitudes or beliefs, and CERTAINLY no institutions of ANY sort. Organizing atheiststo do anything, let al
I have moved this discussion to: https://forums.joeuser.com/360111
This is a conversation that stems from this article written by Leauki: https://forums.joeuser.com/359789 What was being discussed pertains indirectly to the article and since the conversation was moving in a possible direction that the writer may not have intended it was moved to here.
Mason, let us know if you get any of that pig roast and how the cowboy church goes/is like tomorrow. Sounds interesting. How many times do you go across the States? In one year, about how many miles do you cover? "No way to cross over from one side to the other. And yet, even with this, it was a head-on collision." This shows how feeble we are and how short life can be. I haven't checked out your youtube videos. I have in my head how you 'should' s
[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="8" id="2314386"] Now can atheism be a religion. Let's see here. Just so you don't think that I'm just focusing on definition 4 of religion (which Atheism fits). I'll look at definition 2 a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. Does Atheism have a set belief? Yes (oh wait are you going to try to be all sly and say aren't they disbelieving in believing the
[quote who="Leauki" reply="7" id="2314371"] Communism abolishes all religion but not all beliefs. [/quote] I agree with this part Leauki. That is an excellent way of putting it. Atheism can be a religion as I stated in the above post. It would be defined better as a system of beliefs. Then what is a system of beliefs essentially a religion. A religion doesn't necessary need to be G-D centered. Hence why Buddhism i
[quote who="Infidel" reply="6" id="2314234"]If Atheism is a religion, how can it be a government? Wouldn't Communism abolish Atheism? [/quote] I guess you feel that a religion can't be a government at the same time. Please don't go to any Theocarcy, please. Then to your next question you are making a non-sequitur: denying the antecedent, trying to be all sly there. I also think you don't understand two things. First what religion is. Religion is ac
AJ, I hope you don't feel like I'm attacking you in any way, which is why I'm extremely glad we can finally agree on something. [quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="1" id="2314159"] He wasn't Christian per se, but he was definitely religious in a sense. [/quote] I wouldn't classify Hitler a Christian. " Heinrich Himmler (the <a class="mw-redirect" title="Reichsfuh
[quote]Crusades, beheadings, hitler, abortion clinic bombers? You can't pin it solely on secularists Leauki, to do that would be irrational and prejudiced.[/quote] [quote] Hitler was crazy and a religion of one. Religion is the number one reason how normally sane people justify mass murder.[/quote] I love how people try to equate that Hilter was a Christian. 11 million people were killed in the holocaust of those 11 million roughly 5 million were Christians. Most people (p
Have you observed/felt personally a tornado? Hurricane? Earthquake? Volcano exploding? a rogue wave? that the World Trade Center Towers are no longer there? Mozambique? something called a sound wave? If you answered no to any of those questions then how do you know that they actually exist? If you need to experience something first well how about you experience some Ebolavirus in order to know if its harmful or that it exist. I use to work for the government and I might be able to get
[quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="1" id="2310968"] I guess I should rephrse my point. I am talking about truth in terms of religion, faith, moral rights and wrongs. I may have my belief set, but that is defined by my upbringing, culture , etc. We perceive things to be universally true due to our perception of things, albeit limited. I still ask though...are they true? Are what we see and observe, etc...really true, or is it...merely what we perceive to be true. T
[quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="23" id="2310723"] Time must also exist, by the way. One could say that time only exists because we exist. Essentially, time is a term that we apply to change because we need a way to understand or perceive it. I think there's an entire article about this in Discover magazine (May or June issue i think). Look it up, it's interesting. [/quote] [quote who="the_Peoples_Party" re
[quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="21" id="2310606"] That's the thing though, the truth, while some may claim it to be universal...is actually based on perception. It's all relative to a person's perception.Granted, there may be a general view/perception of the world that is common with people, but when I look around and observe and see that what WE as a culture and/or country view as truth and right and so on....is viewed as wrong. It comes down to which theory on truth do you believe
[quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="21" id="2310606"] No, logic is just a tool used to help us process/convey information. AJ, I get the feeling you feel truth is relative (on a side note I've been meaning to reply to your PM. I apologize for not doing it in a more timely manner and L-RD willing I will). Something isn't true just because it works that's called pragmatism; neither is it true just because it feels good which is subjective nor is it true just because its 'my truth
[quote who="AldericJourdain" reply="19" id="2310452"] Its called applying logic and reason. Justifying evil to avoid a slippery slope of branding people evil for merely disagreeing with you is just as weong as labeling people evil for merely disagreeing with you. So it's logic that implies that we have to admit that the other party is evil and should...go to hell, or whatever place you want them to go? Bullshit Taltamir. I'm not justifying evil, nor am I ridiculing
I agree with what Mason said. We act surprised by the fact that politicians are spending out of control. The politicians are suppose to represent the population (yeah I know they're not) yet they are acting like the U.S as a whole. The 'I want it NOW!' attitude. I know people who are filing for Chapter 13 bankrupcy. Essentially, all your debt is null with Chapter 13. Yeah this kills your credit, but someone has to pay for the debt. I'm not totally aga
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