[quote who="ZehDon" reply="10" id="2618475"] Quoting RAWRRRR, reply 8 Ah but it requires Steam... I don't want to encourage a monopoly, spend 2 seconds to close out of Steam every time I close Portal, have Steam take up 6-20 mb of my oh so precious ram, and if I don't have the choice to get Portal for free through another client I don't want it! Oh sorry that thread is the Civ 5 thread. >.> 1. You're a moron. [/quote] <p
[quote who="Nick-Danger" reply="328" id="2618260"] Quoting Jam3, reply 318 Are people here really that ignorant about Steam.Apparently it hasn't occurred to you that folks can be informed and still disagree. 'You can lead a horse/person to water/knowledge but not make them drink/think' I've seen a number of pro-steamers arguing against those who want the choice of steam/nosteam. I haven't seen anyone argue that steam shouldn't be a
[quote who="Tridus" reply="31" id="2617877"] One person buying the game will play for a while, then finish with it. At that point, it's no longer on the server. If they go through the pawnshop market, they will get some money back, Gamestop will make a boatload of profit, and EA gets extra load that wouldn't have existed otherwise now that user 2 has just started playing. [/quote] If EA doesn't want a million people on their servers for the lifetime of the game, don't
[quote who="Tridus" reply="28" id="2617826"] You buying a used book from Bob doesn't put load on my multiplayer servers and cost me money to support you. Buying a used game and playing multiplayer does. [/quote] No, no it doesn't. You buy a Copy of Game A, it doesn't matter how many times that game switches hands, it's just one copy with access to the server at any given time. If it goes through a hundred hands, there is still only one copy that has access to tha
[quote who="Splitshadow" reply="11" id="2617474"]I could navigate a nuclear submarine through the Mariana Trench given a mouse and WASD controls Console shooters are just nuts. I'm baffled by controllers like the N64 and the PS2. Just what am I supposed to do with all these levers, pads, and buttons? I've been playing Monster Hunter Tri for the last month (console (wii) game with melee and ranged weaponry) The default controls are just AWFUL compared to any
[quote who="Tasunke" reply="312" id="2617403"]Exactly. Valve is an international company. Its only based in the US (headquarters). [/quote] I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that they, Valve and 2K sell more legal copies of their games in the US than any other country, and probably some countries combined.
EA is just shooting itself in the foot. It boggles my mind that people buy games and exchange them and then other people come up behind them to save 10 bucks and buys them used. However, these people that are buying games and then exchanging them tend to buy a lot of games. They buy a heck of a lot more games than I ever have in a year. They buy it for 60, turn it in for what 20-40 depending on the title and run out and buy another new game. If EA destroys that used market, they're not just d
[quote who="Dale_" reply="298" id="2616873"] I was pointing out that the US case law you used to justify your position is not relevant in Australia, and actually is different to how it would've ended up in Australia. I would advise reading up on the Berne Convention, WIPO, how both treaties were implemented in the US and how it differs to most countries who signed those treaties (and why it's different). [/quote] I didn't poi
[quote who="Dale_" reply="282" id="2616602"] Just to point out that US case law is only relevant in the US. [/quote] I must be blinde, because I looked over my posts and didn't see anywhere where i said otherwise. Hell i didn't even say you had to use US court cases. By the way, this bs ACTA is basically taking the worst bits of the US law (DMCA) and trying to spread it. [quote] So in Australia, copyright holders legally control use of copyright m
[quote who="TCores" reply="260" id="2616269"] I believe you have misunderstood me. [/quote] My apologies as it seems that I did. I did see your original message but the last one was not directed at someone in particular so I assumed it was a... wider statement directed at anyone talking about copyright issuse who are not copyright lawyers. Again, sorry! [quote who="Dale_" reply="266" id="2616301"] http://en.
[quote who="KickACrip" reply="256" id="2616201"] Quoting Frogboy, reply 252 That 2K response just as easily applies to any number of options. If game updating and mod handling was their primary concern, there were plenty of other options that wouldn't have required bundling a third party store with the game. What if Steam was just the best option? What other services allow sharing game saves across multiple computers, instal
[quote who="TCores" reply="251" id="2616061"]I am not a lawyer and have no interest in law. But if I am going to make claims about the legality of a thing, or the realities of the law, I should actually research what I'm saying before I saw it. It's a good principle. [/quote] What makes you think we haven't? You know all this whining about copies and not wanting consumers to be able to resell what they purchase isn't the first time we've heard it. The publishers of books weren't
[quote who="Dale_" reply="245" id="2615794"] Actually, DRM is about control of copyright and intellectual property. So both piracy of software AND reselling games fit into the sphere of DRM. In that respect DRM is a good method to protect a company's copyrights and intellectual property. However, the types of DRM implemented have little to desire in most cases. It's unfortunate that most companies take the "restrict" approach rather than the "value-add"
[quote who="Tridus" reply="233" id="2615471"] I'd be pretty shocked if most people playing multiplayer Civ are doing with direct IP. The gamespy stuff gives you a lobby and friends list, although it's pretty rudimentary compared to the more advanced platforms out there now. [/quote] Who said anything about the most people doing anything. The point is direct IP is available alongside gamespy. Steamworks, once it is involved, takes over everything, all options, all choic
[quote who="ILoveSkylar" reply="3" id="2615424"]Ah but look at the PC version of MW2, it's consolized. Hell, it's a direct port of the Xbox 360 version, and this has been proven with both Xbox Live error messages showing up on the Steam version of MW2, as well as if you go into the console, it says "xbox live" instead of "Steam". [/quote] Then pick a different game to compare it too. You can't take screenshots from one game and compare it to another and say its different. Of cous
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[quote who="the_Monk" reply="59" id="2615456"] @ Nesrie , I see you replied to my reply to your post? Oh wait......no you didn't. [/quote] Is this the part where the world is supposed to bow down and let you and your wife rule the world? After all, you and your wife made a decision, and that should be enough for everyone else... right?[e digicons]:|[/e]
[quote who="Tridus" reply="230" id="2615409"] I guess the relevant point here is that this was likely not a DRM decision. Civ 4 uses Gamespy's multiplay functionality, and to be charitable I'm not much of a fan of that. (my account name is now Tridus-tk-tk2, WTF is that?) They're replacing the Gamespy stuff with Steamworks. You don't need Steamworks to provide DRM, you use it to provide matchmaking, achievements, and that sort of thing. For the Firaxis guys, it's probabl
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="56" id="2615444"] Asked, Answered and then answered again. If you check the subsequent posts on PAGE 2 you'll notice what I took issue with was him saying "MOSTLY" which he has since recanted. Reading ALL posts in a thread before replying is usally a good idea.....hehe Believe me I've been burned more than once in a thread by not reading subsequent posts. [/quote] You're hilarious. Every time someo
I've never bought anything off of Steam at original, full price. It's not going to change with Civ V. I have more games on Steam than I do Impulse, but I've given Impulse more money. Now for Civ IV, I purchased the original game, and each expansion at release week. I won't be doing that with Civ V. You can claim all you want that people on internet forums never do what they say they are going do to. I certainly do. I have yet o buy any game with activation limits (like I said I wouldn't). I d
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="38" id="2614963"] Second. You're actually proving my point with your counter argument. You're not resorting to stealing all other tools made/marketed by said initial company rather you're using the allowed method (of returning merchandise) by that retailer to deal with your dissatisfaction. Not unlike a "clearance sale" where you cannot return items you're dissasfied with most software retailers will not "take back" their software and
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="35" id="2614883"] How is this any different than if I buy a tool at a hardware store, bring it home, use it and find out it sucks at its job. Therefore it wasn't really "worth" the money I paid for it, but hey......I took a chance that the tool would work/function as advertised. It did not.......so should I now resort to stealing everything made by said company in the future BEFORE buying to "make sure" it's actually worth it? How abou
[quote who="Dale_" reply="157" id="2614063"] Isn't it ironic that the "fair and open market" you talk of led to a situation where Valve's superior product and catalog (in the eyes of consumers) have market dominance. That's just business, and how markets operate. If consumers belief a product is superior, they will use it. Seems that's what's happened with Steam. Does that mean you don't use Windows because of it's complete market dominance? <
the_Monk. I am going to let you in on a little secret. Pirates don't care about DRM. They don't care, because they bypass it. They don't have to worry about it. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the people making the cracks dont' even care about the game. They probably just get a thrill out of breaking the "unbreakable". I agree with Wintersong, you're full of it.
[quote who="KickACrip" reply="154" id="2613852"] I'm sorry, but how is impulse/Stardock any different than Steam by your argument? The AFFECT is the same - ie, titles are only available on one service, not allowing gamers to "have a choice" where they purchase from. Personally, I don't care where a game is released. There are more important things in life, I'm past the point of caring if I have "to click an extra button to set up offline play" or to hav
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