[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="13" id="2152636"]I know one of the guys that heads Scripps and they believe that man may be contributing to the climate change (which I'm not agruing against) BUT is not the main catalyst or even on the main level. [/quote] Yeah, sure you do. Well I know God, and he told me that global warming is man made. [quote] Hence why most Scientists feel the earth's core is heating up.[/quote] Citation needed.
[quote who="Tkins" reply="18" id="2150636"] So how would you explain Youtube?[/quote] Are you talking about the millions of copyrighted videos that random people put up illegally, or the bunch of crap home videos that people upload? The first has nothing to do with anything - the movie industry is trying to take down youtube copyright infringers as well. The second one.... seriously? Is the mass idiocy of lolcats, fat guys singing, and crappy home-made an
[quote who="krusseldorf" reply="22" id="2150694"]Cuz lets face it, pirates are often poor[/quote] Lol. [quote]that is why piracy is more popular in the youth culture.[/quote] Living off your parents' money in a rich white suburb does not make you "poor". [quote] We are into the era of entitlement. [/quote] I agree, 100%.
[quote who="PeTTs0n" reply="5" id="2148232"] In theory, your point is very valid. But let's go to a deeper, philosophic state of the issue; why should people be denied something that doesn't cost anyone anything to supply them?[/quote] Rather than trying to look at it from a moral standpoint, maybe you should look at it from a causal one. If people do not have to pay for digital things, then digital things have no worth. If digital things have no worth, no one will be
[quote who="unkn0wnx" reply="9" id="2148826"]Makeshiftwings: There are so many laws that governs our (pefectly designed) world; some we don't even understand.[/quote] Hmmm.. a perfectly designed world would be made out of chocolate and be inhabited by a race of nymphomaniacal supermodels. [quote]That is not orderly? Why not just say we don't know what happened?[/quote] Because we do know what happened? The Big Bang was real, and so is evolution.&
[quote who="Overseer" reply="8" id="2148521"] I still dont see how you use Thermodynamics to prove me wrong. The Universe is orderly and governed by scientific laws and mathematics. Thermodynamics is just one of the laws it operates on, just like quantum mechanics. So your only proving my point: the Universe is orderly. We cant explain eveything in the universe, but i would expect one day we should be able to explain mathematically how everything in the universe operates.
[quote]April 17, 2009 16:18:05 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.[/quote] Personally, I feel exactly the opposite. ;)
[quote who="Overseer" reply="4" id="2148342"] Quoting makeshiftwings, reply 17 Quoting Overseer, reply 15 A higher being is necessary because the Universe is orderly. Actually, it's not. The entropy in the universe is increasing all the time. That's part of thermodynamics. Thats nice but you didnt actually prove the Universe isnt orderly, so... [/quote] It's the second law of thermodynamics. Do I have
[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="25" id="2147770"]The global warming thing let me just post this article: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=439146 NOT EVERY internation scientist community is in agreement that man is causing this.[/quote] This is not an international scientific community. It is, again, a right-wing political lobbying group. I guess I need to be more clear; when I say "national or international scientific community", I mean groups which
[quote] wow, come join us in the 21st century. if i remember right at least one part of what you said ended around the 1940s. at the latest in the 90s the (catholic) church said that there was no inconsistencies between scientific fact and catholocism. meaning the theory (widely accepted scientific fact, not guess) of evolution is correct. i have not heard anything about christianity shuting down sex ed, (maybe adding christian lessons in at catholic schools, such as a heavy endors
[quote who="Overseer" reply="15" id="2146658"]A higher being is necessary because the Universe is orderly.[/quote] Actually, it's not. The entropy in the universe is increasing all the time. That's part of thermodynamics. [quote]If there is no order to the universe then everything happens at random. The things is: Nothing in out precieved universe occurs at random. "X" happens Because "Y"; Cause and effect.[/quote] This is also incorrect. That was the
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="12" id="2146284"] The first evidence for God's existence is from casuality (which has already been averred to in this thread, (watch and watchmaker). Anyway, the universe, limited in all its details, could not be its own cause. It couldn't come together with all its regulation laws any more that the bridges could just happen or a clock could assemble itself and keep perfect time without a clock-maker. [/quote] As has already been said in th
[quote who="unkn0wnx" reply="9" id="2146111"]You can't even use Wikipedia as a source for college paper. I just don't do serious search on wikipedia; some people won't take it seriously. Anyway I did found something: http://www.cgfi.org/2009/03/10/natural-global-warmings-have-become-more-moderate-by-dennis-t-avery/. I do think that some people use science as a weapon, and it is powerful just like religion was hundreds years ago. At the end you beli
Honestly, I was hoping not to derail the thread, so I won't post anymore about global warming here. If someone wants to start another thread to discuss it I'd be happy to join. Of course I don't think the debate will go anywhere. Honestly, if you're at the point where you can look at two groups: One which is an American political party backed by oil companies and auto manufacturers, and one which is all of the scientific institutions in the world formed by a vast mix of nati
[quote who="Cougarshamn" reply="6" id="2145478"] in a sense, it has happened. We have accumulated such a vast amount of knowledge through the ages, research based on research, based on research that we don't question everything anymore. Some things, in Science, are taken "as a matter of faith".[/quote] Who do you mean by "we"? You? Because I don't see any evidence that the brilliant minds in science today have stopped questioning things or started publishin
[quote who="Khardis" reply="3" id="2145266"]Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god. [/quote] This is everyone's justification, but the whole point of atheism is the realization that this argument is flawed. If something is unprovable by definition, it entails a lot of important things: this thing is completely incapable of being seen or sensed in any way, it is unable to have any interaction whatsoever with anything that actually physically
[quote who="b0rsuk" reply="25" id="2144867"] Quoting makeshiftwings, reply 19 Every national and international scientific body on the planet agrees that global warming is man-made. Not true. Freeman Dyson doesn't. http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge219.html#dysonf Please read this article. It's also about other things, like the need for heretics in science. He brings up many good points, like Sahara being a fertile plain several thousand year
[quote who="unkn0wnx" reply="23" id="2144107"] Not that I agree or disagree (I'm not giong to get into the Global Warming argument), but do you not see the irony in laughing at his use of Wikipedia when you counter with "I read somewhere..."? You are wise in staying out of that argument. I am not suppose to argue about that either. Its hard to guarantee the accuracy of information unless you do the research yourself. No, I am not going to look up 23 years of data.&
[quote who="FlyingNinja77" reply="13" id="2143211"] Yeah, I've heard humanism, determinism, stuff like that before. The only thing that bothers me is that I believe there are some things that you MUST put a "right/wrong" on. Ie...cold blooded murder, genocide, etc.. Those should be totally objectively evil, even in a mostly subjective, nonreligious moral system. And I don't like the idea of justifying not murdering someone only because of "self interest", ie "you would go to jail, so tha
[quote who="unkn0wnx" reply="17" id="2143371"] Yes global warming is one of them. [/quote] Lol. So in other words, your evidence is limited to angry rants by conservative talk radio. [quote] Now is it because of us or is it a natural part of the Earth's cycle? That's the question. [/quote] Every national and international scientific body on the planet agrees that global warming is man-made. Originally, ther
[quote who="unkn0wnx" reply="1" id="2140792"]I liked science and spend a lot of time on it when I was young, I even got a degree and a minor in two of them. What turned me off is hypocritical sciences that we have today. We have science that are very biased and seem to have some kind of agenda (social, political etc..). If religion indoctrinate people so does so called science. They present theory that they can't prove as facts. When you look closely there a
[quote who="FlyingNinja77" reply="24" id="2140677"]But you do demonstrate my point - Religion doesn't have enough supporting evidence to be a strong, scientific argument, and neither do people who try to counter religion. It doesn't exist in the same plane as science. I believe string theory, despite its beautiful math, should be lumped into this category of faith as well, at least until they get the LHC ready and can actually qualify string existence (or absence). [/quote] I think th
[quote who="FlyingNinja77" reply="21" id="2139861"]Disproving God is impossible by all scientific methods. Many scientific theories are based upon evidence, but equally important is the lack of contradicting evidence. A theory is sometimes only considered "proven" by the common-man's perspective when it has not been disproven over a significant amount of time.[/quote] This is the kind of thing religious people talk about a lot, but I feel like this is a huge misunderstanding about the
[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="13" id="2139602"]I apologize for that syntex mistake. I can no longer edit it though. I still present a valid point though.[/quote] You should look at what I was responding to. I only brought up that I went to Catholic school because the poster I was replying to said "You should try reading the bible", as if I knew nothing at all about it and had only read a bunch of anti-religious literature. I wasn't saying that I know everythi
[quote who="Sole Soul" reply="5" id="2138758"] The idea of a God is an omnipotent, omniscient being. He is all powerful, he is all knowing. I mentioned in passing that the Catholic church already ran across an apparent contradiction of God (can't remember what it was or I'd have linked it, but I think it was a couple hundred years ago even) and decided that since He's God he can do whatever he damn well pleases, because he's all powerful, and this includes proof or disproo
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