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[quote who="XaviorsFist" reply="13" id="2257115"]Lol as i said before they never die. Oak wings of the seraphim and HoL is pretty much 2 on 1 win no matter what. And i've seen double oak doing Shield HOL and Wings of the seraphim gives area. 2 Oaks with wings of seraphim with shield and hol is INVINCIBLE. So is 2 sednas but at least they don't dish out crazy damage.[/quote] If a team stacks everything they have into one element you counter it and get your autowin. Don't feed a

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[quote who="SoFFacet" reply="7" id="2255651"]Actually Lieu, 'we' went through the exact same things as you (omgwtf-HoL phase and everything). My experience sounds very similar to yours, tho mostly from 2v2 Conquest on Cataract. Against competent opponents it is very difficult to score a kill. I play Sedna as a combat hero (from my experience she makes a rather poor minion master compared to other generals) so I maximize Pounce, Heal and Grace, later adding Presence and Silenc

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[quote who="Shadow_Avenger" reply="10" id="2255134"]So, if the attack speed floor is 0.5, if you have a base rate of 0.7, then Maximum effective increase in attack speed = (100% - 0.7/0.5) = 40%.[/quote] If the base attack speed was 0.7, yes. Looking at charts, demigods start at around 0.7 rate of fire, making attack speed on the in-game character sheet about 1.43 (1/0.7). At 20 the attack speed is about 1 though, so about the most you can get out of

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[quote who="SoFFacet" reply="4" id="2255002"]Right but what youre saying is that you'd get Vlemish-->Boots, whereas right now I am convinced that Vlemish-->Plenor is the way to go (can get same number of mana pots either way). I take it you disagree, but imo Sedna doesn't need the +5h/s since she already has grace+banded, and the 600 hp isnt better than 775 mana. The 70% mregen is just gravy (pretty useful gravy, tho). [/quote] The 600 hp would be our point of contention, t

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[quote who="SoFFacet" reply="1" id="2254880"]Lieu, Your arguments regarding Shield+HoL are quite convincing, nicely done. However, regarding Sedna items I have had quite a bit of success with Vlemish+Plenor (Boots etc can come later). The extra max mana from Plenor gives you about 3 extra spells for a major DG battle, and the extra regen really puts her spamability over the top. [/quote] I forgot to say, the trick is getting a good mana pool. Just a vlemish is ce

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What is being described here is not attack rate but attack time . Rate is units per unit time: seconds -1 Time is, well, units time: seconds The unit of the value on the character sheet in demigod is time. 0.7 of what ? Seconds. It's 0.7 seconds for each attack, so it's attack time, not attack rate. Really, it would be better if the character sheet did show attack rate. It has a very simple relationship

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No, sedna's heal is not throttled by mana. The point where someone can afford a HoL? Well, minutes before that was the point nobody should be ever having mana troubles. If you buy a plenor and HoL as sedna you are doing it wrong. All she needs is a decent mana pool (vlemish+boots) and robust mana potions are the end to mana problems. It's much cheaper to spend the money on mana potions than anything past the first crown. You will actually have more gold and more mana for at min

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Potions, potions, potions. People have some weird aversion to them, like the gold is "dissapearing". You get the same effect from rejuv potions as you do from the HoL. The gold for 1 HoL is almost 10 large rejuv potions, just to put that in perspective. How many times are you really using your HoL during a match? And you have to save up for a HoL whereas you buy potions over time. Seriously, use potions. They are the reason why the better the player, the less often they buy a

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[quote who="p3ac3" reply="12" id="2245617"]Stuns do not interrupt shield+HoL. At least not any stuns I've seen erebus, UB or TB launch. I've been testing it all evening. [/quote] As far as I've tested, that's right - shield doesn't prevent stuns or interrupts but HoL keeps on going. What does interrupt it is healing, but not every kind. All active heals like sedna heal, divine justice from a killing blow, a potion, priests , etc stop the HoL effect on any

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Have you ever tried using it yourself and finding how it interplays with Oak's performance? Have you played with and against it using various demigods? Have you both won and lost a high number of games with it in play? The more vantage points to construct an idea of balance the better. All I see is "but oak isn't MEANT to do x" and "this is what happens when oak uses HoL". Except these situations you describe happening are not what actually goes on most of the time. Maybe they happene

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[quote who="HateForest" reply="8" id="2243762"]I love seeing a level 1 oak run at me with priests, I just eat them for free xp and gold... not to mention I'll have better gear cuz he wasted a few hundred on the preists... OM NOM NOM. This is a bad strat. If you get preists, don't resell them they will just get killed by thte first decent player you see.[/quote] First, you won't even be touching the priests if the oak's micro isn't terrible. Second, they give neither xp or g

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[quote who="lukkas_ROCKUS" reply="4" id="2240141"] In fact, speaking of sedna's heal, it heals for 1500. HoL during shield heals 1800. That 4k item? Might as well have cast heal during shield. Priest idol minions by that point in the game are healing DGs on the order of 500-700 every 10 seconds. That's 1500-2100 every 30 seconds right there and it gets cast on everyone. All you need is a general on your team. In addition to the health, HoL will fill mana too. It's not comparab

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[quote who="XaviorsFist" reply="23" id="2236950"]What i'm saying is not that it's UNCOUNTERABLE.[/quote] That's funny because it kind of sounded that way when you said: [quote who="XaviorsFist" reply="23" id="2236950"]BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS it's impossible to counter[/quote] So you'll forgive me for replying to what you actually said rather than what you (possibly) meant in your head. You make it out as though shield+HoL is a pain to counter, that it req

Reply to Table: The best damage mitigation for your gold in Demigod Strategies Demigod Forums

[quote who="Zyvvrict" reply="4" id="2232867"] Quoting Enraged_Camel, reply 3Well, here's a question. Would you rather have 2500hp and 50% mitigation, or 5000hp and 0% mitigation? I'd rather have 5000hp and 0% mitigation. Crystals and priests heal by percentage of total health, so buffer size isn't as important. High Priest minions heal 30% per cast.[/quote] I'd rather have 5000 hp too, but what happens when getting either 2.5k more hp or ehp costs thou

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[quote who="XaviorsFist" reply="14" id="2232277"]And lieu no my team didn't suck. We even outleveled them. Heart of life is also very common people. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS it's impossible to counter. This game is about wasting more of the enemies time than your own. Interupting wastes cast time. Tanking can make 2 demi's lose 30 seconds of being somewhere else while 1 oak can stop 3 demi's for 20 seconds... ALONE. Tanking can be stopped interupting healing or by jsut dishing out teh da

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A death or two does not cost you the match and resurrection time already scales a lot with level. Please try to apply critical thinking, people. Statistics and correlation; when someone dies early on they are more likely to be a worse player but certainly (by definition) playing worse at that time they died. Deaths are correlated to worse players. They lose because they are worse throughout the game. If your skill level is lower and thus died then most likely you are going to lose unl

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[quote who="Milskidasith" reply="1" id="2230880"] Quoting Lieu-, reply 25I see what you are saying and it's not an edge case. The theory behind effective hp is not just useful in the one case where it's 100% pure non-spell damage. That particular case is on the edge. The usefulness of effective hp is not limited to that one case. If the damage type split is 50/50 then the maths that x armor gives y ehp is still useful. You can make a decision on how valuable armor is compared

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I see what you are saying and it's not an edge case. The theory behind effective hp is not just useful in the one case where it's 100% pure non-spell damage. That particular case is on the edge. The usefulness of effective hp is not limited to that one case. If the damage type split is 50/50 then the maths that x armor gives y ehp is still useful. You can make a decision on how valuable armor is compared to health in this situation, which in turn lets you make an informed decision on

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I'm curious about the sentiment around here that Oak is really weak early game. Given what I've seen online from other Oaks I would be inclined to agree. However, I simply find that I have no problem whatsoever as Oak early game. I rarely go back to the crystal, have no trouble gaining kills; 2v1 is bad for an y demigod. Maybe my competition is just bad. I just read all the time about how Oak is so weak early game with accounts of what happens and am perplexed as to why the Oa

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[quote who="transitive" reply="17" id="2230470"]for every Demigod at level 1 Banded Armor provides a greater effective health boost then Scale Armor. it also provides regen, which Scale Armor does not, so it increases lane staying power by a much greater amount. Banded Armor is just a better item. it also costs slightly more, so its pretty balanced. Scale Armor is also very good. one of the most efficient items for dealing with damage from towers, creeps, an

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In the typical match there is more incoming damage from non-spell sources but it's somehow an "edge case"? Right. Got it. And all this math is useless and has no application (your words) because... it can't be directly applied to the game? If it has to be changed dramatically and that's reason why it's useless then any theorying is useless. Anything we can come up with is so far away from the mathematical solution to demigod (speaking in terms of game theory here). We have no

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[quote who="Milskidasith" reply="18" id="2229983"] Quoting Lieu-, reply 16 Quoting Lugh, reply 14 You missed some spell damage I added it in for you. The main thing I see I missed was ooze. I didn't mention things like mist; I was trying to get the simplest description that covered the demigod's damage output well. Quoting Milskidasith, reply 12 ...but practically every armor calculatio

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As someone mentioned, when a game splits, whoever finishes their game first gets their game's stats recorded. Given that you said the timeout box came up a few times prior, it was someone's connection. Either: 1. Your connection "lagged out", was congested upstream, or something else, and you simply disconnected from them both, leaving you in your own game, OR 2. One of the UBs disconnected, then the bug occured that splits the game in two. You have that information ba