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My apologies for my mistake in quoting the passage. I was using my own knowledge of where God sent Cain. instead of quoting word for word the passage that is in scripture. You are correct and I am in error. I did try to point out to you that being upon the earth does not necessarily mean on the face of the earth, but you must have missed that. Instead you went on about Cain being a tiller of the earth and no longer being able to reap it's fruit,and totally ignor

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It's better if you don't take out of context what I said about Cain. I did not say that God's cursing Cain didn't matter. That's a large assumption on your part. What I did say was it didn't matter. not being able to reap the fruits of the earth and the tilling of the soil when it comes to the statement of "being cast out from the face of the earth and the face of God". Even according to the scripture you went on to quote , iit didn't matter that

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"Servant" is quite true and I'm glad that you brought it into the conversation. It is an interesting word to use. Tell me if you will KFC, what does "grace" mean to you? Does it mean just a new convenant. or is it more than that?

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The word being with God and the word being God has nothing what so ever to do with Jesus. Jesus is not spoken of or named in that statement, and John definately knew Jesus. Whether or not John thought of Jesus as God is immaterial, Jesus did not. it is Jesus that is the final authority on who he was not John. Jesus giving the power to the disciples to baptize in the name of the 'Father, the SON, and the holy spirit/ghost" doesn't say that Jesus

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As a matter of fact the only person that was ever recognized as God's "only begotten son" was Jesus, not Adam, not Eve, nor any of their line.

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You think only God can raise the dead? You are in for the biggest shock of your life. Raising the dead is not the miracle that you think it is. And the one that shall come to deceive mankind will do just exactly that same thing. The earth will be so amazed that such miracles are performed that they will follow like sheep to slaughter. Read your Revelations. The disciples performed miracles also, not the raising of the dead, at least not that you kno

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"14 Behold thou dost cast me out from the face of the earth ...." And the difference is? The fact that it says that Cain shall wander on the earth, doesn't mean a thing. One need not be on the face of the earth to wander the earth, scientific fact. Cain was still cast out from the face of the earth. If one is cast out fr

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My post was not incoherent Lulapilgrim, you just didn't want to hear what I was saying to you. You want to believe as you believe, so much so that you can't even be challenged in your beliefs. You know all the answers and refuse to see that some of your answers are wrong even when it is proved to you. It's your story and you are sticking to it, no matter what. I will tell you once more that the word "nephilim" is not 'GOD GIVEN", it is a word with sumerian root

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"I've just quoted Numbers 13:33-34 and it's not only men of great stature...Numbers says they saw the giants, the sons of Anak (Anakim). they seemed as locusts (grasshoppers) next to them! The Anakim were an aboriginal race of giants..they were tall and huge. I read that the Anakim eventually mixed with the Canaanites before the Israelite invasion." So Lulapilgrim, just where did the "aboriginal race of giants" come from? Considering that Adam an

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I think that you should give up on trying to explain the use of the word giant. Obviously the question can not be answered so it's time to move on.

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The word nephilim has it's roots in the Sumerian language and it means "sons of the gods from the sky or heaven". It would be the Sumerian definition that is the root of the word. Sumerian is the oldest written language in the world, far older than hebrew. Since both the sumerian and the hebrew nations come from the same area known as the middle east, it is more than reasonable to think that the hebrew adopted the sumerian word for their own. I

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What if, just what if, your common sense reasoning is wrong? I don't know that men of that time would use metaphors, they seem to be creations of speech of a later time. However, what if these men were describing exactly what they saw, "gods that came down fromthe sky or heaven"? I know that we have a tendency to think that these descriptions that these early people used were not factual because we do not believe that "God" nor anyone else could have come

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What if, just what if, your common sense reasoning is wrong? I don't know that men of that time would use metaphors, they seem to be creations of speech of a later time. However, what if these men were describing exactly what they saw, "gods that came down fromthe sky or heaven"? I know that we have a tendency to think that these descriptions that these early people used were not factual because we do not believe that "God" nor anyone else could have come

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I do not have to look for peices to make sense of the bible Lulapilgrim, it makes perfect sense to me. Why doesn't it to you?

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I am not picking and choosing Lulapilgrim. Jesus is the lamb is he not? Did he not say that he is the light and the way? Yes he did. What is a lamb Lulapilgrim? Who takes care of the lamb, leads it to green pastures and water, and keeps it from harm? The shepherd does. Jesus held no job, made no money, and who took care of him? The shepard, God. Do you recall Psalms? The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want?

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The anakim according to deciphered Sumerian texts originally means the "gods that came from the sky or heavens". Since the Sumerian language is the worlds oldest written language, older even than Hebrew, I would say that the root meaning for that word means "gods that came from the sky or heaven". The nephillum are also spoken of in the Sumerian texts as well and are defined as the "sons of the god from the skies or heaven". Not men of great valor wealth or reknow

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Tell me where did you ever read that that the Christ breathed on the apostles and ordained them as priests? Christ taught them and gave them hidden knowledge, but no where and I do mean no where, does it say that he told them that he would ordain them as priests. Saying that "as the father has sent me, I also send you" doesn't mean that he made them priests in a new religion, but to gather the lost sheep of Israel, just as Jesus stated he had been sent to do.&nbsp

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For all your explanation of the scriptural texts from Genesis, neither of you have yet answered the question. Where did the giants come from? Where did Cain's wife come from? No where does it say that Cain took his sister to wife. So where did she come from? If indeed the existing gene pool came from the descendents of the first man and woman, where did the giantism gene come from? None of them were described as "giants". Nor were they desc

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Telling them to go forth and make disciples of all men is not indicative of the founding of a new religion or a new church. The disciples were Jewish, Jesus did not change their religion during or after his lifetime and neither did they. St. Peter though said and named to be the first pope was not historically the founder of the RCC. There was no RCC prior to his death in Rome. The church came long after that event. Peter's name and authority&

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It is indeed true that wealth has a power to seduce. Any person who is wealthy however has already been seduced. To accumulate and keep wealth one must desire it and be totally focused upon the process of gaining and maintaining it. That means that attention and desire has now become divided. As Jesus said one can not serve both God and Mammon. It is not a matter of one's calling but a matter of one's desire. I re

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A needle that is something else? KFC, the meaning of "needle" has not ever changed, not even from olden times. Even then it was defined as a tool used for sewing. Even if it were a tool used to sew leather, it still wouldn't be big enough to let a camel through. Yes, all things are possible with God, including letting God take care of one. It is not the love of riches that is the problem. It is the lack of faith in God to care for us, and the clinging to

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The bible that is accepted today was chosen by men, not God. Much of the scripture that existed at that time was eliminated as not being suitable to be included. The church thinks that those texts are lost, and for the time being they are not to be found, however the church it's self elludes to their existance in papers where these texts were banned from being read by christians. The church it seems, rules with an iron fist. I do not feel that the

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Are you saying that the church was left behind to "teach us"? According to my understanding it was the disciples that Jesus was speaking to, not the church, and most specifically the disciple Peter, who according to scripture possessed the keys to the kingdom, and to whom Jesus commanded several times to return and minister to his flock. I don't see how the church can guarantee the truthfulness of Paul's words, since Paul was the principle founder of the church

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Dear KFC, God does not want our possessions. God created the heavens and the earth and all inbetween, our paltry possessions are nothing compared to them. What God wants is our total obedience and our total love and nothing before this, not our possessions or our need to care for our own lives. It's true Jesus did not specifically say that a rich man could not enter heaven, he did say however, that it would be easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a need