Lula, I am not (mostly) talking about you personally, I just get all wrapped up with all the various theological things so I call it “you” pretending I am conversing. You have a need to know because it is fundamental to your faith but I do not. I understand and accept empirical evidence on its face value, not because someone tells me or because of some book that forces me. I know we are like ‘babes in arms’ in the development of technology and the furt
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I am not overly concerned there because the USA is the best defended nation in the world, we are by far the only super power, and they are Imperialists so they will force the death and destruction to take place elsewhere where they can clean up out their messes. After all, they have already stolen virtually everything they can from their own people. If radical Islam were doing to attack us, if they were capable or had the wherewithal t
Lula – On some post somewhere in here, there was a discussion on the origin of the universe. Many of the religious justifications were from a documentary called “The Privileged Planet” by - Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay W. Richards … so I looked into it and it was interesting… I am planning to start an article to review the film in 12 11 segments (YouTube). Thought you might be interested in some different ping p
[quote who="myfist0" reply="39" id="2939292"]What do you think would happen if this hit prime time?[/quote]Sadly, I think it would get as much respect as any other pacifist who hates America and is secretly working to overthrow the USG at the expense of her own people. You don't think these ‘analysts’ are going to just grow a conscience because of an obvious agent of radical Islam is trying to propagandize them? ... How about you? [e digicons]
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="62" id="2939303"]Just as an aside, haven't scientific and mathematical tools detected Adam and Eve?[/quote]... hum, I do remember something about that, so it must have been a religious documentary, hehehe. After supper, I will see what I can dig up, ok. [e digicons]:D[/e] Don't think you want to go here ... Adam was traced to one man ... 60,000 years ago who wasn't the only human alive, his DNA is the only one that surv
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="61" id="2939273"]Since you don't believe God created nature, I have to ask....... how did nature come to be on earth? What is the body of empirical scientific evidence that supports your belief?[/quote]To be perfectly honest I do not really care. But I am not going to be made to believe that God or any other supernatural ‘source’ snapped their proverbial fingers and reality was born. I am of course interested in the past, but I am much mor
This is what happens when we go to the voting booths ... [e digicons]:waaaa:[/e] [video]http://youtu.be/9X7pwsDWRJM[/video]
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="59" id="2939241"]You seem to be confusing the adjective "universal" with the noun "universe". Universal reasoning or belief is a judgment based on pure reason.[/quote]Got it, yep I am guilty. It gets confusing at times ... I think I am involvrd in a discussion about the universe somewhere and ... sorry. [e digicons]O:)[/e] [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="59" id="2939241"]Let's go back to Adam and Eve.[/quote]Lets not, unless you can prove the
[quote who="Mystikmind" reply="37" id="2938875"]Reply #37 Mystikmind[/quote]I do not doubt your sincerity, just your information. Simply put, if you do not know (or believe) the USG was deeply involved in these Countries troubles (and about a hundred more), then you cannot have an accurate view of what has been going on in the Middle East since John F. Kennedy. You have to go back that far and do a lot of time consuming research through the last 50 years. The evidence is mostly there fo
[quote who="myfist0" reply="256" id="2939187"]Put the answers into a video game for the zombies. 2 minutes without something blowing up and you lost 'em. [/quote]Silly, all the answers are already loaded in the games. I prefer 1st person shooters myself (UT, Half Life), but the theme is always the same. Might makes right and woe be unto the weak who dare to believe their rights are nearly as important as 'might's rights? ‘Might’ = USG.
[quote who="myfist0" reply="251" id="2939007"] Reply #251 myfist0[/quote]Great source of info. At some point I will have to go into Iran (hopefully before they are invaded) and especially the Shaw ... but I do not think many JU moon bats will have anything different to say about that atrocity either … hook, line, sinker and the whole pole. I’ll bet most have no idea why I am stating this, hehehe. Fact – The drug production in Afghanistan has increa
[quote who="AlLanMandragoran" reply="246" id="2938879"]Ok - time to get back off topic. What comes first, the chicken or the egg?[/quote]Why??? There is no correct answer to this question asked in this manner as this could not take place in an instant ... because the process took Millennia to achieve, by Nature. But this is a good example of how people are prone to mentally wander and is why we can achieve very little politically. If you let the suppositions slip by without questioning them,
[quote who="kyogre12" reply="252" id="2939154"]There is a not-so-fine line seperating healthy skepticism of the government and crazy. This thread has blown past that line [/quote]Maybe instead of yapping about conspiracy crazyness, you could actually look at some of the information provided and explain why they are crazy ... Or even better still, how about stating what you as a sane pereson believe in the USG byline. Beliving what the USG says, based on what it does ... is insanity. If you ac
[quote who="Whiskey144" reply="249" id="2938891"]The invasion of Grenada, for one[/quote]Hardly, but it does demonstrate the imperialistic West for sure. Haven't done much research on Grenada, but I know enough to know they were no threat to us, their neighbors or the world ... justified how? Heartbrake Ridge, go Clint, hehehe.
[quote who="EternalRequiem" reply="242" id="2938862"]1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.[/quote]That one works for me, how about you?
[quote who="Whiskey144" reply="238" id="2938824"]Abraxas hit the nail on the head. Civilian casualties are part of warfare, and war isn't a pretty thing. BT, you seem to subscribe to the idea that war is a somewhat gentlemenly affair when prosecuted for morally correct reasons.[/quote]Not really, I just think we should at least have one valid reason before we violate a sovereign nation, destroy their infrastructure, kill all those people you expect to die because it is war and occupy them
[quote who="LightofAbraxas" reply="237" id="2938752"]I'm not going to say that I disagree with you outright, but I just don't trust anyone who looks at war in purely black-and-white terms like this. War is a costly, bloody, unfortunate business, but that doesn't mean that wars aren't worth fighting.[/quote]It is not black and white at all and I am sorry if I left that impression, but we are up to 240 comments and there has been many other discussions. Just so I get to understa
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="236" id="2938750"]Burden of 'proof' is on the conspiracy nuts. Rational people don't waste too much time defending reality.[/quote]NIST is the USG silly, why would they back away from their own findings? Have you read some of the stuff there? It is the USG story to a tee … this stuff is why there are people like me who want real answers not this garbage. Did you read their reports and if you did, did you filter them with logic or reality? At least
[quote who="psychoak" reply="235" id="2938745"]Reply #235 psychoak[/quote]Agreed, and we don't show the civilian casualties either. They should all be shone, what we are supposed to hide. The real cost of war when one's involvement isn’t through a TV set is horrible and the American people should be able to see what the USG is doing in their name … all that freedom and democracy stuff. How long do you think a war would last then, I wonder?
[quote who="Whiskey144" reply="33" id="2938820"]Atheism technically is a religion. It's the religion of rejecting all other religions and the existence of a deity.[/quote]Wrong, atheists cares nothing about your religion or anybody else's for that matter. They just don't believe in a one God. I am a child of enlightenment. I think irrational belief is a dangerous phenomenon and I try to consciously avoid it.
[quote who="myfist0" reply="30" id="2938776"]Reply #30 myfist0[/quote]Nice ... good time for a laugh or two. When do you find the time to search out this stuff, hehehe!
[quote who="Mystikmind" reply="29" id="2938761"]Just look at what happened in Egypt or Libya and even Syria![/quote]Exactly, but I am willing to bet you know as much about those American campaigns as you do about Iraq or Afghanistan. I am not trying to be mean here ... you just do not have the correct information. For instance, if you are interested in Afghanistan, where do you go for your information? I go to people like Malalai Joya who is living through the American invasion (call it democ
[quote who="RogueCaptain" reply="31" id="2938792"]Personally I think it's a boring subject and just for the record the secularism sold onto us is a total sham most of the time. Separation of church and state sure but it usually ends up being coopted into a united church of the religion Atheism.[/quote]You know atheism is not a religion, but that conversation is going on somewhere else on JU. Boring is right though, best left to others to postulate the un-ponderable. I have to stay with sc
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="32" id="2938671"]Facts do not need to be as grandiose as E=MC2. They can be as simple as - you do not know what a fact is.[/quote]"You do not know what a fact is" ... is a sentence fragment "E=MC2" is an equation, neither of which is a fact ... but we know, you make all the rules, tell me how to write and use a dictionary and how wrong everything about me is ... and this speaks volumes about you. [quote who="Dr Guy" reply="33" id="2938672"]You really are clu
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="16" id="2938675"]Reply #16 Dr Guy[/quote]You are so funny... No wonder we have so much difficulty communicating ... you are so stupid and gifted as to instantly perceive my intent saving you the time to read them I guess so you can get on with your ... whatever it is you are doing, go figure. I suspect there is no question I can possibly ask you that you will not reject out of hand and immediately start lambasting, imagine that.