Okay I'll give you that point. I do have one question. Exactly what does this have to do with the Alito hearings? Yes, it sounds like you knew exactly what I was talking about. <TD class="mb-Bo
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So you do not think that encouraging the enemy by saying things like "we have lost this war" howard dean, is encouraging more opposition from the enemy? more opposition=more american dead or maimed. That may be the case, but I doubt it. These are radical extremists that we're talking about. While we m
And you are a........ ehhhh nevermind.
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Perhaps, but I was just looking for some indication about whether you had knowledge that these statements actually had done any harm. I've heard a lot of people making claims like yours, but I haven't seen where they actually did do any harm.
No, you did! I was responding to you, and your lame attempt to take this to a topic you had any hope of winning. That's the part you don't seem to grasp about me at all. I'm not interested in "winning" anything here. I'm just about people being honest and reporting things that are true, as opposed t
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but you asked for an example of how the war protesting could be the cause of americans being killed Actually that's not what I asked. Is there any evidence that their actions and words have caused anyone harm?<
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how about the number 2 man in al qaeda that uses the words of the left to encourage the terrorist to continue fighting? Do you seriously think they would have laid down their arms and given up had it not been for comments of lefties?
Can you show proof of this? Because all I get off the internet about it is blog sites and they ain't proof of squat. Link
You should learn to hide your mistakes before denying them. You still haven't shown what this "mistake" is. Now where was anyone proclaiming legal or illegality? </T
Any specifics, or just a general observation? Nothing too specific. I just heard him complaining about the "imperialist President", and the usual bs rhetoric from liberals. Well, since Island Dog said it wasn't anything specific. <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgColor=
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I just want them to see what there actions and words can cause, take responsibility for how they act. Is there any evidence that their actions and words have caused anyone harm?
So you are wrong again. And consistently so. I made no claim whether Echelon was legal or not, just that they did go through FISA. Whether they violated any other statutes is a different issue. As I said, I was making a point that there were differences between the two programs, which there
I did, in fact "read the story". That does not change the fact that I was pointing out a major difference between the current NSA spying and the Echelon program. That difference exists, therefore I'm not "Reliably wrong again".
He didn't know what probable cause was, or maybe he thought the FISA court require a higher standard of probable cause? I think by reading the report from congress on the matter, one could make a strong case that they did think a higher standard of probable casue was required. My main point of
There is a major difference between Echelon and the current NSA wiretapping. Echelon was done in accorance with FISA . Before any conversation of US persons was targeted, a FISA warrant was obtained. George Tenet testified before Congress regarding this on 4/12/2000; I’m here today to discuss specific issues about and allegations regarding Signals Intelligence activities and the so-called Echelon Program of the National Security
To the extent the judge denied a request to access Moussaoui's laptop on the basis of one or more technicalities when common sense warranted access, the FISA process was also part of the problem. A FISA judge never denied such a request, because a request was never made.
Exactly what does this have to do with the Alito hearings? As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with it. Which is what the original "idiot" comment was all about. Ummm....these events happened IN the Alito hearings.
and Judge Alito couldn't change since 30 years ago....John Kerry "did" I don't understand your point. Could you please explain.
I should also add that in general, I have considerable respect for Arlen Specter, he just put his foot in his mouth badly this time.
You seem to forget, "Kennedy" is "not" in charge of the hearings. Specter is. What does the fact that Specter is the chairman have to do with this? I haven't forgotten that fact, but it's irrelevent to the issue in question. Specter became very belligerent on the record that he had never received the
No comment Dr. Guy?
So what does any of that have to do with Judge Alito's fitness for the Supreme Court? If membership in a fraternity is a disqualifying detail then their would be very few college grads left for any office. I didn't say it had anything to do with his "fitness" for the Supreme Court. The only way I could see it having any legitimate effect on the
Specter is going to be eating some crow courtesy of the guy you think is an idiot. Maybe Specter, like you thought he was an idiot. It appears, at least in this case, that Specter is the idiot. Specter admits he discussed Kennedy’s letter in a phone call with his Chief-of-Staff. He rejected the request then but said if it was really important Kennedy should have mentioned it to him at the gym. (Kennedy explained he hasn’t been to the gym
You seem to be saying that the FBI should have gone around FISA and cracked the laptop on the grounds of the existing warrant. I hope I am not misunderstanding you. No, what I'm saying is that if the FBI had the proper level of knowledge back then, they would have realized that they had more than enough
Oops...sorry about the double paste at the end there.