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Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"But those aren't the ten commandments. Those are Jesus' revisions, not the "originals". She's the one who said she's broken all ten. Quite the accomplishment, if you ask me." No, I think Jesus was saying that it is a matter of intent. As in Matthew 5. [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adu

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

I would imagine she's going on the quote from Jesus that says that if you have been angry with someone without cause, you've already committed murder, yadda yadda.

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"You say you have photo's confessions, documentation and the like? How do you know they're real? How do you know the Nazi records aren't faked or the film not produced 20 years after the so called holocaust? Isn't that what you're saying about the works of antiquity?" Sounds like you're trying to turn it around and make my point for me. Your evidence is basically non-existent. I can talk to eyewitnesses. You have about as much "evidence" as they have

Reply to Catholic Church Stands Up For Saddam Hussein in Current Events JoeUser Forums

"John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone."

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"I'm saying that God in this case made that decision. It wasn't all the pagans anyhow, it was a particular group of people who were very savage and nasty and it was affecting the nation Israel." And you have the chronicler to believe. You believe the book by default, so anything that they put in the book that God did you believe to be just. Therefore your definition of God comes from people who didn't even know the earth was round. <div class=

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

I will treat you the same as any person claiming they have more to prove Darwinism than Creationism. All they have is belief. All you have is belief. Period.

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"ok, now I'm really banging my head against the wall. Did you or did you not ask this question: Post more, please. Show me another that was in the same century Jesus lived. " Yeah, "another" in terms of another person you were referring to, i.e. independant sources of information about Jesus. People who were contemporaries of Jesus. You said: "Not only that, but many historians outside of scripture, Christia

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't put that the way you intended, KFC. It sounded like you were saying that it was just to kill ALL pagans, women, children, etc., to make sure they didn't breed any more pagans. You realize by saying that you're basically turning God INTO Hitler, right?

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"I know you don't really agree with that, because it would be like denying the Holocaust never happened because you never saw it. So years from now I can't really rely on your daughter's view thru your eyes because it's not valid. It's just heresay regardless if all had the same stories. It's still stories. Funny you will use diff sets of principles for modern times than you do for ancient times. Why is that?" It's interesting that you keep tryi

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"If the women and children had been spared in those profane Canaanite nations how long would it have been before a fresh crop of adults would emerge just like their pagan predecessors? In the providential acts of life it is understood that individuals share in the life of their families and nations." Wow. That's probably the worst thing I have ever heard you say, bar none. I wouldn't talk about Hitler if I were you, in proximity to your religious argum

Reply to Catholic Church Stands Up For Saddam Hussein in Current Events JoeUser Forums

No offense, Lula, but you could have saved your time and written "Huh uh". You spend a lot of time writing things that I already know, as if knowing the Church's excuses will make some sort of a difference to me. It won't. Re: Infallibility, you've just set up a situation where you can claim infallibility after the fact, and deny it on anything you want. They don't say, "Okay, here it comes, I'm going to issue something infallible now" because they know later it may prove to be in er

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Think of it this way...when a nation starts burning children as a gift to the gods Lev 18:21 and practices sodomy, bestiality and all sorts of ungodly behavior Lev 18:25-30 the day of God's grace and patience has run out." How do we feel about people who talk about "nations" as a whole now. I find the practices of the Chinese government repugnant. According to the Bible, so would God. Does that mean the "nation" should burst into flame, kids, old ladi

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"and whenever it gets to the sticking point...the sovereignty of God...you go off the deep end. It never fails Baker. I don't mean to set you off...really. It just does." No, when you are backed into a corner, you start questioning people's "relationship" with God. It's your last resort in any debate; your 'nuke' to lob. The old "Well, you just

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

So you can start there.....Polycarp, Iraneaus, Ignatius, and Martyr. You're just naming people at random now. I can name people too. Nero, Marcus Auralius... I keep a copy of his Meditations right on my desk, too. Please explain to me how any of those people you mention offer any substance to your Christian beliefs. None of them offer anything but hearsay testimony of Jesus. You keep saying, basically, that you have "substance" to your be

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Faith gives reality and proof of things unseen treating them as if they were already objects of sight rather than hope." OH... so by believing, you see more "substance" than people who don't? Are you serious? That's like page one of any cult playbook. "You can't really know what the proof is until you believe." "he (Josephus) was born in 37AD....just a couple, maybe 4 years after Christ died" Which pre

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

Our ways and our thinking are not the same as God's. He sees the finished product while we see the work in progress. We see the underside of the masterpiece quilt being woven with all it's loose threads and knots while God sees the top side and the beauty it will turn out to be. He's sovereign and we are not. You understand that you could excuse ANYTHING with that, right? The meso-american religions no doubt told their children the same thing when they

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"now the proof's on you. Where did I say he "quoted" Jesus directly? This is a game you're playing Baker....it's called twister...not unlike the old 60's game or the dance......I'd bet you'd be really good at it. " You said that you had more than just faith to base your "truth" on. I assumed you meant that you were saying that Josephus could ATTEST TO SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE. Again, you're just posting that someone said Jesus existed and pretending

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"YES, you betcha. Because I know it wasn't really them. It was the Holy Spirit directing them....unlike Mark Twain." You believe, you don't know. "ok, so you're honest and I'm a liar? Is that it? You're right and I'm wrong?" If you are trying to tell Lucas that you have something more than faith, then yes, you are lying to him. "Faith is the crux yes, but he also shows me daily, he'

Reply to Is Truth Always Fair? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Many walk away from Christianity because they deem it unfair. Because it's unfair, they say, it isn't true. Is that fair?" I think you are confusing 'unfair' with 'hypocritical'. They walk away from Christianity because it portrays God as a being that doesn't abide by His own laws. You do unto others, unless it is the Philistines. Do good to

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

The most insane part is, if you HAD been witness to Jesus' life, it wouldn't help all that much in terms of validating Christian doctrine. Most of what we believe in terms of that comes from Paul, and various councils and Christian theologians over the 2000 years after His death. If you put all that Jesus said in a book, at least what we have quoted, it wouldn't have many pages at all. So even more so, you have faith that all these men, like Paul, are actually interpreting Jesus' mess

Reply to Are You Good Enough? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Do you think all those that wrote of him, Christians, historians even atheists that by writing of him during the first century only helped in proving him true are liars? Because that's what you're saying. Heresay. Yup, sounds like Thomas. His fellow Apostles were lying to him. Not gonna believe it, Nope. If you check that story out carefully you'd notice it was

Reply to Edwards: The Rich should Pay for Health Coverage in Democrat JoeUser Forums

No kidding, I'm shocked. Did you see my blog about his house ? He should honestly be very, very careful about weighing in on health insurance issues, given the fact that his fortune comes from being a trial lawyer. According to his biography: "For the next 20 years, John dedicated his career to representing families and children just like the families he grew up with in Robbins. Standing up against the po

Reply to Depeche Mode Meets The Revelator in Current Events JoeUser Forums

Yeah, I just went back and watched it and it is obvious the image you have is a frame picked to make him look different. The video itself is squashed in terms of the aspect ration, everything looks wider than it should be. As far as the skin tone the other Arabs in the room look that dark, too, it's a matter of light. Another point I thought was interesting is that the conspiracy theorists

Reply to Depeche Mode Meets The Revelator in Current Events JoeUser Forums

No, that's a fallacy. I remember them saying that the conspiracy nuts have been picking the frames from the videos that appear stretched in order to build up that argument. I find it hard to believe that you fall for this stuff.

Reply to President Hillary on Oil Profits in Democrat JoeUser Forums

Taking money out of the economy is bad for the economy, period. There are some benefits, like education, etc., but you always have to balance the benefit with the undeniable drag that taxation creates. If you are of the mind that the money belongs to "the people", and that Hillary should redistribute it from the oil companies that earned it, then yes, I don't see how you can not call that socialism. These much maligned "profits" aren't checks the government sends them. They are the e