bakerstreet

bakerstreet

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Iplural: huh? who cares what they owe us, we are the ones making war. We aren't trying to protect those debts by leaving him in place. The point isn't what Iraq owes these other countries, it is the fact that they are desperately trying to keep Saddam Hussein in power so they can do business with him. Thibaud: I'm sorry, but it sounds like you are saying "Sure, he's evil, but since you sold something to him 30 years ago you can't touch him now." People keep saying stuff like that, m

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Crea: number 3 could also be stated as "France (and others) are protecting Saddam Hussein to protect their economic interests" Fact is, once the regime is gone, so are their agreements. Granted, they may make new ones, but an evil bird in hand... ( lol, and the award for 'Most egregious misuse of an old saying' goes to... ) I never bought into the bin Laden thing. I'm not a fan of the Saudis, though, so with some alterations I could make it work <img src="http://im

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P.S. and I also take exception with the idea that it is wrong to boycott a nation's products because of what that nation's government decides to do. Proceeds from the sale of such products end up in the hands of that government in the form of taxes. When that happens, I have helped in small way to enact their policies. I'm positive that some small part of all that Brie and Bitburger I have consumed in the last 10 years has gone to support Saddam Hussein, even if it is a tenth of a cen

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no, crea, i don't think they want to control the world. Why would they? Too much accountability and not a lot of profit. a couple of facts for ya: French exports to Iraq increased from 300 million to 1 billion dollars from 2000-03. 'Total Fina Elf' had inked deals with Iraq to share in the oil production of two fields, the output being enough to fulfill French oil needs for *30* years. From 1981-2001 France, China and Russia supplied 81% of Iraq's military

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I've been pondering a bit since post #1307. I was trying to play the devil's advocate as to why we would deny England the opportunity to bid for contracts in the rebuilding of Iraq. While I was nuking my pizza, i was trying to remember what year the British lost control of Iraq. When i hit some of my old books I realized that Iraq had been occupied by the British after every world conflict in the last century. They got control of it after WW1, occupied it when Iraq took the Nazi side

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lmao...*cough* *gasp* Iraq has expelled a Al-Jazeera journalist from baghdad and now Al-Jazeera is miffed and not gonna report from there. Dig it, though: "The network executive in Doha said the Iraqis have also called Al Jazeera "pro-American." Gah, I'd hate to see what they would consider anti-american. The only thing about it that kind of gives me the chills is perhaps they don't want *any* objective press there to see what they are gonna do. If they star

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IPlural: true. I wish they would have at least taken bids for the rebuilding from the rest of the coalition. I'm all for the war, and I don't think it is being waged because of economics, but it makes for bad press, especially when easily confused people are trying to find an excuse to call us 'invaders'. If money *is* shifted under the table at least we can say it is coming from US tax dollars and not the Iraqi people. Oil and arms deals that rely on Saddam staying in power also rely

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*sigh* i'll say it one, last, time. The point in this post was a guy wanting to find an alternative to a program. Could have been any reason, it just happened to be one that rubbed some people the wrong way. Sure, i'm tempted to go into why I stopped buying french products about 6 months ago, but I refuse to be baited into hijacking this guy's thread and turning it into a discussion about France. That is what I was trying to stop people from doing to begin with. Geez, l

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If hashonboat doesn't want to buy French products, I don't see any reason to gang rape him for it. His question was "Can anyone recommend another program with the same or better capabilities ?? " not "do you think I am right?". I'm not an Iconist, i wish i could help. For PC work i know many people use Microangelo, made by Impactsoft. http://www.impactsoft.com/default.htm If you need to work with Mac icons and such go to Cleffie net http://www.cleffie.net/ and read h

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IPlural: hrm. Seems then that they aren't working yet? Senator Waxman will no doubt be very efficient in looking into things. I'm not at all that sure that this is handled well, but there is nothing here to suggest the Iraqi people have in any way been effected by it. I can understand that preparing for flaming oil wells could be a problem with operational security. One of the big 'surprises' we keep hearing about is that we started the ground invasion before we started the main Air

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Jafo: i think they are saying very little about the 11 other bodies until they the forensics information comes back. They haven't said much about the 4 they dug up last week either. It seems to be bittersweet for the families of the other POWs though, I really hate what they must be going through, waiting to see who it was in the morgue and buried outside the hospital.

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IPlural : i need some sort of proof of that, please. I can find nothing that says Halliburton is working in Iraq, and a lot that says they either withdrew or lost their bid. Now this is twice it has been said with no reference material. Please, back it up with something other than supposition. Regardless, she said that an american company was pumping oil out of Iraq. That is the kind of meanless crap that is being spouted all over the world, and which even the well-meaning, intellig

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bug report: port 1337 is being left open by the newest build of WB 9.1a. I am using the 'hunky brazilian goucho' skin, and when I went and looked in the mirror I found that I had been the victim of an exploit. I will say, though, that the 'Margaret Thatcher' skin is very, *gulp* lifelike, but I am not crazy about the big 'U R 0wn3d' tattoo on my, well, forget it. When do you think devart will get a section for this? I'm hoping they will be a little lax on the moderation...

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I mean, gah, she says the US is stealing oil from Iraq through a company once headed by the Vice President, and I say the largest Frence oil company has a 60 billion dollar deal with Saddam Hussein himself. She makes an utterly false statement, I state a fact. The response? "Don't kid yourself Bakerstreet" jeeez...

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paxx: Go on and feed their ignorance. I didn't see you correct yvonne2222 when she said that we were pumping oil, and that the company doing it was the U.S. vice-president's. You wouldn't chime in on that because it furthers your argument, whether it is true or not. If I came out here and openly *lied*, you guys would be all over me with a almanac full of facts. That is what it always comes down to. We can list our reasons why this war is just, and the opposing position relies facts

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I mean, gah, can you imagine the reverse? What if America opposed a French need to help the people of Iraq and then it was found out that there were oil deals on the table worth 60 *billion* dollars? Then, in addition, it was found that numerous allies of the US were known to have funneled military equipment into Iraq despite UN sanctions to the contrary? Can you imagine what these people would be saying about the US; blocking a humanitarian war to make an oil deal with an evil tyrant?

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yvonne2222 : I have no idea what country you live in, so I don't know what flavor of anti-US propaganda you are being fed. I said it gives me the creeps because the 'hospitals' they keep american POWs in are equipped with car batteries and other such great things to torture people with. We've already captured at least one that was used for that purpose. I also don't know what led to the harm caused the the 7 year-old girl you mention. It could be any one of 3 things. a) she

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