WinCustomize Forumswow, it's almost been 4 hours simce someone posted on this string... ... ... ...DOH!
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paxx: the whole assassination thing was an executive order by President Ford back in the 70's. It doesn't carry the weight of law (i.e. no repercussions if you break it) and any subsequent President can override it with an order of their own. Anyway, the whole definition of 'assassination' is murky in times of war. A general or any other high-ranking official can be technically 'assassinated', and in military regimes all the government officials are military targets. As Commander-In-
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Jafo, it creeps me out that you knew that...
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Doreen I hardly think anyone with a family member in this war would be trying to ignore it, 'rediculous' or not.
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I've been needlessly snide. On reflection perhaps it is a matter of what one considers the definition of 'humane' to be that is the source of conflict here. I was raised to believe in a particular set of ethics. Self doubt, reflection, and restraint are qualities to be valued *before* one undertakes something. Shakespeare said the same thing in Hamlet: "Beware of entrance to a quarrel; but, being in, Bear't that the opposed may beware of thee." I don't think
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Frogboy: I tend to set a particular tone when I post. I take as much or more credit for lowering the standards of practice to 'offensively patronizing' as anyone. I deserve as much venom as wombat for such, if for no other reason than to prevent an unintended double-standard. I'll do my best to raise the standards of my posts.
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And what are the odds it would be coming in at the same time two or more Iraqi missiles were on their way in? What would the statistics be like if the people who man Patriot emplacements were plagued by self-doubt every time they saw an incoming missile? A lot more people would die if that person hesitated, both military and civilian alike.
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P.S. I saw yesterday that Ralph Nader was calling G.B. a dictator. Laughable coming from the guy who *knew* he was gonna lose. He was probably most responsible for preventing Gore an outright victory by splitting off far-left, greenish voters, and was happy enough with that eventuality to run anyway. Thanks Ralph!
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Isn't it odd that the election was a virtual tie, but nobody seems to have wanted Bush to be president? I have seen several ignorant man-on-the-street interviews throughout the world who posed their opinion of the war as "Oh, well, he wasn't elected anyway, so he is no different than Saddam Hussein." A couple thousand votes were iffy out of the over 50 million he got. If a few blue-haired voters were disenfranchised in Florida, the vast majority of people who voted for Bush have been
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...and since this is the only place on the internet to upload wallpapers, you have been shamelessly, criminally censored! oh, wait, there are like a hundred other places to upload that don't moderate. You could even hang out your own shingle, and pay the cash for people to download from your own site...
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Gosh, dave!!! If Bush does away with elections, and appoints himself god-emperor of all, denying our rights and laying waste to the world, there won't be anything we can do about it!!! Since "it's a complete failure of competence to have to kill other human beings", we'll just have to let him. Our only option will be to make asinine, ungrateful comments about the people who finally do come to stop him. Heck, if we are lucky they might just stay home and starve us to death! It is so
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lmao. David...again... Bush has less than 2 years left, then *if* he is re-elected he has 4 more, tops. In that time we are going to somehow conquer both Iran and North Korea, and still have time left for bullying the rest of the world and doing all the evil we can to US citizens here. You people will shamelessly go to all ends to villify someone. In the last few days I have seen some really, really odd things come out of you. Reverand Moon? Who knows what will be next. Are you gett
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US military personnel are losing their lives *because* the US doesn't want to kill civilians. We have reached the point in the conflict that many warplanes and helicopters are coming back with their payload because they could not deliver it, which means they faced the threat they went to destroy, turned their backs to them, and left. how much easier would it be to simply carpet bomb these places? The world has become such an evil, corrupt place that the *act* of placing an anti-aircra
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paxx : While I think you are a hopeless goofball at times, your posts do me a lot of good sometimes. I thank God that we live in a world that has corners safe and innocent enough to cultivate opinions like yours. That is the goal of conflicts like this, really; a world that can't comprehend people like Hussein. "I think this time Irak will treat them different. After all, they may want to prove the World that they're not such bad guys after all. That's also why I think that even if
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US POWs were tortured and permanently maimed in the gulf war. They had bones purposely broken, had eardrums pierced, were subjected to daily beatings, etc. OF the bodies shown today, many had execution-style wounds, exemplifying the normal Iraqi attitude that wounded enemy prisoners should be killed instead of treated. Smugness is not an appropriate tone for any post regarding Iraq's treatment of the captured, and this string will take a very ugly turn if the usual holier-than-thou attitude i
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paxx: a) it is against the Geneva convention to broadcast images or film of current prisoners of war. b) Since the status of the US soldiers is in question, it would be wrong for US television to broadcast images of them before they are identified and their families are notified. anyway, Al-Jazeera is sh*t ( pardon the lapse of taste, but i really, really can't find another word to use. ). They are an unprofessional, tabloid-style, terrorist mouthpiece that broadcasts propaganda and c
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Xerraire: thanks . I hate war, and had we finished this one 12 years ago it wouldn't be an issue. I hope this is the last string on which we debate Iraq, but sadly there are worse possibilites looming elsewhere in the world. I doubt it will be the last string of its kind.
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"I'm not going to get into a history lesson. " woooops. lol I do agree with much of it, though. I think 'getting our of the UN' is a bit much. I think staying in and doing what we wanna do is fine. The problem is allowing ourselve to be talked out of finishing wars. Making war palatable is like insisting on bloodless surgury. If you reach the point where something has to be done militarily, you have to accept the fact that an awful thing has to be done. Making it less awf
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what next? will they destroy all the copies of "plan 9 from outer space"?
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dave...dave...dave... Of course I can't read. I'z uh American, I keep an impoverished street urchin here on my desk who reads to me, and then a shadowy goverment figure comes in once a day to tell me how to reply. My window is actually a flat-screen set to CNN. I have to swat at the urchin from time to time because he sneaks my pringles... Anyway. What you are saying isn't bad, or wrong, it is just, well, 'saying'. When we pull out of Saudi Arabia, what is left? To say we
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You know i dig ya, dave, but i think you are a whacko sometimes.
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I'm utterly speechless. Somehow we are supposed to dismantle the CIA, remove ourselves from UN obligations and agreements to protect our allies, cut our military, and the world will be a safer place. Of course the intelligence gathering agencies of China and the like will continue going strong, without all that bothersome balance... In the face of *cough* European might, Saddam Hussein will cringe at the thought of trying to invade his neighbors, even though he knows the US ha
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Thank you Dave, you beat me to the punch by 2 minutes. I disagree with your assertion that Iraq's neighbors are fine with Saddam. They may not want him overthrown, but they certainly DON'T want him left alone. They prefer us to continue spending billions of dollars policing their region thanklessly. If we leave, Hussein would be right back in Kuwait, and since war is not the answer, what then? As for military spending, 'cutting back' is difficult when the majority of spendin
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David: ... um, yeah... about that Iraq thing. *points to the topic* ************************ Please Read ******************************* I have made my arguments as to why I feel that war is necessary. I want to know why war *isn't* necessary, i.e. how the plight of the Iraqi people and the safety of the region can be secured without military conflict. I challenge (defy) everyone here to balance every line of criticism for the US, its past policies, and War i
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