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Well said namgreb!

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[quote]Whether this is acceptable for people who work in the bars is for the legislative to decide, I suppose. I am not very interested in the issue because I am not as bothered by loud music as I am by smoke. It is also quite possible for people to work in another pub if they don't like the loud music. As I said, there are lots of pubs that don't play loud music.[/quote] See, you're making the same argument it's just you don't mind the loud music. The thing is, currently, smoke

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[quote]Harming other people without their consent is wrong and government should enforce that fact. It's not a question of what economic system we emply, it's a question of whether we believe that government should enforce individual rights EVEN when smokers want to violate them or not. [/quote] I agree but if you enter a private establishment, you consent to be exposed to any LEGAL activity within. Our government is already so bloated and inefficient. Who is

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You guys have given me a lot to think about. I'm really impressed by the debate here. I've really enjoyed this debate because I have no emotional attachment to the issue of smoking. I do feel strongly about personal rights and am opposed to a government bent on protecting us form ourselves. I appreciate that even though one person said that something I said was stupid, noone actually called anyone stupid or any other name. This is the kind of debate we need mor

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[quote]Actually it is illigal to play music above certain volumes near residental areas.[/quote] I'm aware of this. So why isn't it illegal in bars?

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[quote]then you suddenly go and suggest that making it illigal would magically stop smoking, despite presenting all your anectodal evidence to the contrary.[/quote] I never said making it illegal would stop people. Pot is illegal, people still smoke it. All sorts of drugs are illegal, people still use them. I'm just pointing out that the government needs to be consistent. Either make it illegal or stay the hell out of the privately owned businesses. I w

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[quote]My mistake. Making it more inconvenient and less enjoyable to smoke will clearly increase demand for cigarrettes, not decrease it![/quote] Do you really think not being able to smoke in public will affect the demand for cigarettes? This is something people do even though they know it can cause them to die horribly. It's expensive but the increase in cost of cigs doesn't decrease how much people smoke. They just use more of the money that should be going elsewh

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That rocks! You should be crazy proud.

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[quote] if a government does pursue such a policy, it suggests it's more likely to be for altruistic purposes rather than to make money.[/quote] If it was altruism they would just make smoking illegal because it harms everyone. [quote]A smoking ban would likely decrease demand for cigarrettes[/quote] Any smokers want to chime in on what a ridiculous statement this is?

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[quote]That being said, I am a hypocrite. [/quote] You're not. You're not saying that the gov should be able to ban it from a privately owned establishment. That's different.

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[quote]I for one vote for a federal Grow Up and Get Over It And Mind Your Own Damn Business law.[/quote] Now that's Manning Up! I like it!

Reply to Should State Government be Able to Ban Smoking? in Politics JoeUser Forums

The way I see it, the government wants to be able to keep making money off from smokers but wants to take away the right of private business owners to do the same.

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I guess I'll pose the question this way- If the government has deemed smoking as hazardous to peoples health and the only way you can smoke and avoid harming others is by being completely alone while smoking, why not make it illegal? If you are living with anyone else and smoking in your home, you harm them. If you ever smoke in your car with a passenger, you harm them. The idea of banning smoking in businesses public or otherwise is it harms others. So why isn't it

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Yay Stardock!!

Reply to Transportation chief eyes taxing miles driven in Politics JoeUser Forums

That's a terrible idea! What's the point? Someone can have a very fuel efficient car, drive twice as far as some big road tank and burn less gas. Why would the person who has to commute further but has a more efficient vehicle have to pay more? It makes no sense. Why penalize people for having to live farther away from work? They already have road rage, don't push them over the edge! ;)

My Guilty TV Pleasures in Blogging JoeUser Forums

When it comes to TV, my guilty pleasures are: Real Housewives series on Bravo & High School Reunion on TV Land I love to hate those Housewives and the High School Reunion show is about people my age acting out soap opera type relationships. I also like to watch Jon & Kate Plus 8 because it makes me feel so much better about my own life :) One of my new fav shows that I have no guilt about is The Doctors. They provide so much real l

Reply to Why is it the most compassionate are the most stingy? in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Maybe you had a "blond moment" too (sorry, Jill). The book and the statistics it cites is evidence.[/quote] I agree!

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[quote]"What was he doing living here in this city anyway?"[/quote] Again, the difference is, it is a privately owned place we are talking about. You don't have a RIGHT to be there. You have the choice, you have the freedom, but you don't have the RIGHT. If you are given a warning of the concequences of entering a PRIVATE place, it is then your responsibility. If you come to my house, should you have the right to demand I don't smoke in my house? No

Reply to Should State Government be Able to Ban Smoking? in Politics Stardock Forums

A lot of good points being made here. I'm still not convinced of changing my stance but may be closer than on any other debate I've had. I'm having such a good time with this debate I accidentally made a comment pertaining to this subject on one of Brad's blogs by mistake. [e digicons]:blush:[/e]

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[quote]Why not have it legal with the proviso that it must not harm others? Isn't that the same policy we try to use for everything else? Why exempt smokers from the usual mechanism? [/quote] Sorry, I forgot which thread I was on (blonde moment)

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[quote]And because this is Europe and things were not complicated enough, these laws also apply to parts of France that were once German. Which means that France is a secular state without a state church, the German-speaking parts of France do have a state religion, priests and pastors (and rabbis for some reason) are paid by the state, religion is tought in schools, and Christian holidays that don't apply in the rest of France do apply in the region.[/quote] That kind of confusion sim

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[quote]In Germany churches are tax-financed (there is a church tax). [/quote] Obviously that would never happen here in the land of separation of church and state.

Reply to Should State Government be Able to Ban Smoking? in Politics JoeUser Forums

This is the best debate I've had in a long time! Noone is calling anyone names and everyone has intelligent arguments. Thanks!

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[quote]It's as wrong as a factory or mine corporation posting a sign that the factory or mine doesn't abide by safety regulations.[/quote] Here's why it's not the same, you can't mine or run factory operations in your own home. Drinking at a bar is not a NEED, it is a WANT. People NEED to work in factories and mines to keep society going. Going into a smoky bar is optional. If a bar is full of college kids, I would go to a different one. If a bar has real

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[quote]Having two parents that smoke is fun...all the carcinogens, none of the supposed pleasure.[/quote] Did you have a lot of ear infections growing up? My hubby's cousin is a doctor and she said there are new studies linking second hand smoke to ear infections in infants and children. My husband's parents smoked and he had tubes in his ears. My parents didn't smoke but my grandparents and aunts and uncles did and I was with them a lot. I had chronic ear infe