[quote]Great debate article jilluser, this is the kind argument I enjoy.[/quote] Thanks, this is what I was hoping for. I'm thoroughly enjoying it too!
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[quote]I say either ban them completely (honestly I don't get the pointof smoking at all, even alcohol can be good for your health in some cases) or leave it the way it is. Govt interventionshould be kept toa minimal.[/quote] I agree.
[quote]he or she, not an it. And once born he or she will potentially have brain defects, cancer, and other issues. Issues that will cause suffering for the rest of her/his natural life as well as cost the taxpayer money to releive them.[/quote] Oh, I agree. I don't agree with late term or partial birth abortion either. But we're talking about the wisdom of our laws here.
[quote]How about drinking while pregnant?[/quote] Are you kidding? It's part of a woman's body until it's born. Legally she can do whatever she wants while pregnant (smoke, drink, dance at the Grammys). [quote]but not if you are a biological parent?[/quote] Nope.
[quote]Those things are currently not harmful to other people by their very nature, are they? More to the point, those things are not currently under public scrutiny.[/quote] Again, if the owner of the establishment posts a warning and people aren't forced into working there, what it the problem? [quote]Personally I believe child endangerment laws cover it. [/quote] In some states it's illegal to smoke around children if you are a foster parent. </p
[quote]Child abuse is child abuse. So I'm not sure I understand your question. There are laws in place in each state for people abusing children. If you're asking me about those, that is another topic entirely.[/quote] There's no law against smoking around your children. If you think it's child abuse, should there be a law against it?
"There are no Left wing Stations" - What about Air America?
[quote]once his tolerance is over, his tolerance limit can yield nuclear results. [/quote] Why shouldn't it? He kept inviting LW back in after she kept shitting on him. He had is share of shit and kicked her out and locked the door. I doubt anyone else would have reacted differently besides not inviting her back as many times as he did.
[quote]For example, its not illegal to cut yourself. So, why not have a business where people pay to see this occur? Line girls up on a stage and give them razor blades, let them bleed for their pay? So long as they live, do it themselves, no law is broken, no rights infringed. I can't imagine living in a society where this would be "ok" a "choice."[/quote] Are you serious? People do all sorts of freaky things in the name of entertainment all of the time and they do it for w
[quote]As far as parents exposing children unnecessarily. IMO, that is abuse. [/quote] What should be done about that?
[quote]There is no humane reason or excuse to expose anyone to second hand smoke.[/quote] Then what is wrong with my example of having the bar owner post a warning outside? That way noone is exposed to any unknown risk and the bar owner reserves his right to allow smokers as he sees fit.
[quote]I think it's important that the honeymoon ends quickly and the people who voted for him wipe the stars out of their eyes, stop feeding the fantasy and then clarify the change we wanted was from politics as usual not just republican politics as usual.[/quote] Right on.
[quote]I have the same opinion about accidental shootings.[/quote] Not everyone is harmed by breathing in some smoke. EVERY SINGLE PERSON gets harmed when shot.
[quote]The music thing violated my freedom, but not much. I don't care about loud music played in a few bars that much. [/quote] That's a subjective opinion. There are plenty of studies that show the damage loud music can do. The point is, if you start with smoking, why won't music be next? Drinking is dangerous not only because of drinking and driving but people get drunk and fight or stumble around and break things or injure people. Why not ban drinking n
[quote]If smoking were allowed in my office, you say I could quit my job. But what's the point of that? Why surrender the economy to people who insist on harming others? [/quote] Two points to be made here. 1) Quitting isn't your only option. You could wear a respirator. There are ways of protecting yourself against smoke. 2) Our free market society has a way of working things out. If people don't want to work for our do business with a business that is harmful
The book confirmed what I see in real life every day. My research was having my eyes open to what is going on around me. The book did actually statistical analysis of what I had casually observed. I therefore am at ease in accepting the validity of the book.
Looking good! I might even want to play ;)
He's showing his true colors as the puppet that he is. Pelosi and Co. are pulling his strings and he's flopping along. He's a great speaker, an ambitious man, I don't even think he is evil like a lot of people on the right seem to think, I just don't and never did think he really knew what it would take to get this huge mess we're in turned around. The promise after promise he spewed to get those votes showed that. He's got a good start on breaking promises.&nbs
In case anyone thinks I am arguing this because I'm a smoker, I'm not, never have been and avoid smoke as much as I possibly can. I don't go to smoky bars, bowling alleys, etc. I don't allow people, including grandparents to smoke in our home or near our children. I'm arguing for the rights of American people and business owners. I'm arguing against handing our balls over to the government. I often find it funny that a lot of the same people howling about how aw
[quote]But then nobody is saying that smoking should be illegal. I don't think government has (or should have) the power to make it illegal for people to do whatever they want to their own bodies. It's when it affects other people against their will that I draw the line. And my patronising a public house does NOT, repeat NOT, constitute my agreement that you or anybody else is allowed to harm me.[/quote] Here's my problem with what you said here. You pointed out that it
[quote]It's like saying the gov shouldn't get involved with coal miners using respirators.[/quote] It is so not the same thing. Coal mining is a specific business with specific risks. Regulating something like that is like requiring hard hats on construction sites. Smoking and drinking are excepted legal substance uses with known dangers. People don't need to go to a bar or restaurant. Those are wants not needs. I know far too many people confuse the
A conversation I had with a friend on Facebook inspired me to write about this subject. He had joined a movement urging the state of Michigan to ban smoking in businesses including bars and restaurants. I for one would be ecstatic if everyone stopped smoking altogether but I don't think the government should have that power over businesses. First of all, smoking is legal. Why should the government be able to tell a business owner that they can't have something legal
Awesome!
[quote]Anyway, that guy doesn't have much tolerance for abuse.[/quote] Bullshit! I'm way more tolerant than most and he's more tolerant than I. LW was hijacking articles to take personal shots at the guy who was providing her with a voice here and it was far from the first time. She used up her 9 lives here and now she's really gone.
[quote]While anybody entering this chaos would fail to detect that there is only ONE constantly available fulltime worker at StarDock named Kryo (or is it 'always' him?).[/quote] I'm not sure how you came to that deduction but you are woefully misinformed. There are plenty of Stardock employees on the sites. He wrote the stories back when he was a kid. He's pretty up front about who he is online too.