[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="464" id="3075500"]The heroin trade has more to do with corruption in the Afghanistan gov't than any connection with the USG.[/quote]The Taliban while in control and probably for the wrong reasons almost annihilated this trade ... we removed the Taliban and the trade is back ... how are we not culpable in the extreme??? Anyone in the illegal drug trade is doing it for the same base reasons. You know the USG directly deals in illegal drugs by the tons right???
Experts are not always what they claim to be. Kurt Wise has a PhD in geology from Harvard no less and made this statement; "If all the evidence in the universe pointed to an old earth, I would be the first to admit it but I would still be a young earth creationist … because that is what holy scripture teaches me.” At what point does this “Lula” attitude allow for any reasonable or useful discourse at all? And based on what I have seen here, theology supporters always
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="1062" id="3075751"]Actually Jafo, most people believe in a God or gods because of empiric evidence .[/quote]Semantics ... just as Jafo said. If you have any empirical truth ... why not just show us instead of making it a statement to the fact? Just because one wishes to argue for theology … they cannot arbitrarily make their own definitions up. Evidence in this case is just another word for “your argu
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="361" id="3075644"]If there were Proof of evolution (not just natural selection) then Evolution would be upgraded from it's current theory status.[/quote]This demonstrates that you have not done enough research or you could not make this argument. Theories don't get "upgraded" ... what would it be upgraded to??? If you are going to deal with science ... then you are going to have to deal with theories ... that is where all the action is ... and nobody could
Protocept00; concerning the title of the post ... Science and God (One and the same? ... the answer is NO … and is supported with all the above comments.
Before 1980, Afghanistan produced 0% of the world’s opium. After the USG backed Mujahideen (OBL) won against the Soviets in 1986, they were producing 40% of the world’s heroin supply. By 1999, they were producing 80% of the total world market. Then in steps the Taliban and by 2000, they had reduced the opium trade from +3,000 tons a year to 185 tons a year, a 94% reduction … but that was just unacceptable to US interests ... so the USG intervened again with its destruc
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="357" id="3074799"]Father Coyne was weighing and judging ID theory. I happen to disagree with him because his position is one of wanting to have it both ways. [/quote]This is not an option Lula ... and he did not make this concession lightly ... because the vastly mounting EVIDENCE gave him (an educated person) no other options. He at least was forward thinking enough to realize that if Christianity (RCC style) is going to survive, it must modernize itself. But
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="355" id="3074632"]What exactly is this overwhelming real evidence for evolution?[/quote]Lula, this is exactly why you cannot be taken seriously. If you cannot pretend you know what I am even talking about or where my proof lays ... you are just fooling yourself. PROOF ... hahaha, what a joke. (Real) as in ALL THE EVIDENCE and overwhelming as reflected in any encyclopedia (except for yours) you care to breeze through. And my books have pictures too. Do you belie
No theory can be proven 100% correct , that’s just the nature of the beast … but they can be falsified … and since creationism and evolution are diametrically exclusive and since the overwhelming (real) evidence for evolution destroyed creationism over 150 years ago … you are pleading a ‘dead horse’ of a case that has been already decided. Just because you think you know or understand some
Lula, how would you even know the difference between ‘the hand of god’ and ‘Nature’ … as the catalyst? Science doesn’t care about your god, any more than I do. OMT --- Atheists do not believe in god ... end of story . From this point on, I can sit on alternating thumbs waiting for some divine insight or some church to supply one ... or I can get off my duff and 'actually' try and figu
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="344" id="3074213"]Pseudo science evolution is the problem for public school children. Their textbooks have this drawing which certainly implies direct descent.[/quote]Lula, we are a little beyond picture talk I think. Think what you like ... but I can prove my case (not to you of course). We actually listed some grown up sites you could have reviewed though right so did you??? The tree of life should answer any question about ansisistry since you like pics. The
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="341" id="3072697"]Adam never said "papa" to an ape.[/quote]We are NOT directly related to the ape ... study your evolution. Apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes and we only have 23 pairs ... NO DIRECT descent. Lula, I just give up. This clip will have to do because I am not going to argue creationism with you. Watch this series if you want to even pretend to try to understand anything besides RCCC. 1. Evolution vs. Creationism: Listen to
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1044" id="3072462"]Theories are well thought out ideas. [/quote] Maybe I haven't thought hard enough, but it seems that you can only prove the existence of God[/quote]This is the first in a series of more than +20 clips that may help you to understand why and what the real battle’ is over. Creationism is beyond resuscitation now, except in the minds of some and ID has already been thrown out as a feeble clone of that. I digress … the q
[quote who="PapaBravo" reply="1041" id="3072340"]what does religion have to do with a supreme being?[/quote]Excellent point! But I do not think you are going to get away with it, hahaha.
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1027" id="3071682"] There could be a giant spaghetti monster flying around space .[/quote] [quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1034" id="3072138"]a Giant Spaghetti Monster, so it may or may not exist .[/quote] [quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="1035" id="3072177"]I assume you worded this wrong … or do you doubt all your cognitiv
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="314" id="3071291"]And where have you once seen that I choose to reject science? I admit I reject pseudo-science of Darwinism (macro-evolution), but true science is great by me. Love true science.[/quote]When you casually throw out the term ‘science’ … what you have to mean is “the sciences” … like biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, astrophysics (if you really want to look silly) and othe
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1034" id="3072138"]so it may or may not exist.[/quote]I assume you worded this wrong … or do you doubt all your cognitive skills. [quote who="Jafo" reply="1031" id="3071807"]Life is short, whether there is a god or not... or that science has all the answers or not....chances are you will just be dead and none the wiser either way.[/quote]Well said ... but you know what is coming now ... right, hahaha.
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="332" id="3071662"]You aren't the radical atheist out to legislate public expressions of religious belief from every corner of the earth and I'm not the televangelist selling blessed handkerchiefs that will heal you and make your skin softer for a "generous donation".[/quote]Exactly so. We (I) get uncomfortable trying to converse with several people at once all with differing levels of commitment on both sides of a discussion ... urggg. If you are going to
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="325" id="3071553"]… but before I get to them, please tell us....[/quote]Please don't unless there is something you haven't repeated numerously. I am not overly interested where the 'universe' came from, I am here and that is most important. You are wrong on so many points and it doesn't have anything to do with the science you love. Maybe you just like certain branches of science is all? Actually, this stuff all came from my f
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="314" id="3071291"]Love true science .[/quote]Lula ... could you please definethe the term " true science" for me? Chemicals ... that just bespeaks of the 1960's, hahaha … all those mind altering drugs.
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1018" id="3071311"] I feel like you don't put your arguments in a logical order. So I never know what you are trying to say.[/quote]Obviously ... you forgot to cross out the word makes ... but it sure hasen't stopped you from commenting.
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="1013" id="3071145"]Smoothseas[/quote]Been there ... done that ... I know. No matter what corners I tried to cut or ground I gave away ... it always came back to just one thing ... the whole enchilada or nothing so … on with my life.
MortalKhrist; every time someone says something that makes convinces me I am wrong … why I am amazed ... and then I change my opinion and trudge ever onward with something new in my arsenal ... more knowledge than I had before. Whatever you were trying to say I guess is between you and your maker ... because it is just balderdash … oh, IMO.
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="307" id="3070863"]It is them against us.[/quote]What you meant to say here is that it is the RCC (as opposed to Christianity) that detests the surrounding world and everyone in it that doesn't breath, eat or sleep with Catholicism. Instead of trying to recruit David, why don't you just tell him what you really think of 'wayward' Christians and stop this pandering? There are no "benign tolerant forces" on this thread ... it would be ridiculous fo
Who Caused the Economic Crisis … and this is what I don’t get; there is plenty of blame to hand out to both parties and yet the arguments go down strict partisan lines. I skimmed the article but keyed in on the conclusion … The Real Deal. http://factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/ … the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility”.
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