Well, it just seems too convenient and someone(s) should lose their head(s) is all. I found this clip looking over some Ron Paul YouTube’s and this brought back many of my own arguments. The blurb by Paul in the beginning is great too. I like the name used near the end … The Decider” … does seem fit hahaha. [video]http://youtu.be/jlgav80cpbg[/video] What’s up with the Christians? I have not come across such consistent whining before … for
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="258" id="3068258"] If any man's mind can accommodate itself to such an evident contradiction of the infallibility of the Bible, his judgment can hardly be taken as sound. [/quote][quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="258" id="3068258"] We believe that the infallibility of the Church is as true and certain as is the dawn after the night, as spring after winter .[/quote]Guess we can stop
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="965" id="3068356"]You can insist there isn't one--but since you don't know what it is or what it must mean that seems a bit stretched. How can you know what you don't klnow or understand?[/quote]David, just swap the words around and you will have it correct. How can I understand what I don't know ... in a nutshell. [quote who="Sinperium" reply="965" id="3068356"]I don't expect you to believe what I believe because you haven't had t
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="969" id="3068477"]You atheists pride yourselves on your reason, yet you simply cannot listen to it... It's tragically humorous[/quote]Expound please ... shit or get off the pot. Your silly one line jabs are about as useful as tits on a boar. [quote who="Smoothseas" reply="971" id="3068583"]Amusing if you take it out of context from what was actually stated.[/quote]Everything seems to be taken out of context. I am not sure if these religious folk a
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="954" id="3067154"]All that is required is an experience that can be validated within the bible so that it is recognizable as "Christ" and "Christian" by the one who experienced it.[/quote]Same book same religion same god ... no difference. You just want to pick and choose what is only important to you ... as opposed to most Christians who let the RCC do it for them. Unfortunately, the RCC makes Chr
[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="250" id="3067148"]I do not believe in god, but I know that faith and perhaps even religion of itself is no threat. It is dogmatism, the self-inflicted blindness to the ways of thinking of fellow human beings, that is threatening. Its practitioners cannot even see grey, let alone color. If peace on Earth is truly desired by people of all faiths and lack thereof, we must stop caring about the faith of others, and instead about the excessive strength of our fellow be
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="249" id="3067127"]BoobzTwo obviously is closed minded. No amount of "proof" will work, because she will simply disregard/explain/ignore it.[/quote]I think the word "proof" needs to be defined before you make a statement like this don't you think. If you have offered some proof of something please reiterate for me. But I would suggest you research the word "PROOF" first though. I like this one myself; “the quality or condition of having been proved”
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="956" id="3067245"]Considering that genuine atheists arguably average less than 10% of the population (I'm being generous there)[/quote]Generous in what way pray tell? First there are over a billion practicing Muslims and that is 1/6th the world’s population alone. Then of course there is India and China etc. I think your research is off by a substantial amount! Of course they are atheists … in the eyes of Christians anyway.[quote who="Sinperium"
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="953" id="3067146"]Roughly 5-10 years ago. The Bible is the most accurately transcribed, protected and historical text that we have. If you simply dismiss it as false, you MUST dismiss almost ALL historical texts as false. If you want details, I can get you details over the weekend[/quote]I don't need any details because there aren't any ... at least any real or accurate details which is all I would be interested in. The bible has been shown to ... what do y
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="951" id="3067083"]The Bible doesn't need to be proven, that has already been done if one simply looks for the proof.[/quote]It doesn’t??? Enlightening to say the least ... any idea how ... or when?[quote who="SivCorp" reply="951" id="3067083"]And Catholicism is not Christianity. There is a difference.[/quote]Is that so ... care to explicate a bit on this ... I don't think there can be a logical or even reasonable separation, so I would like to hear th
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="245" id="3066997"]Smoothseas[/quote]I know, I just couldn't think of anything else at the time, hahaha. I think Sinperium needs some valium or something. As to commandeering another post ... when do I get my cut, hehehe?
Sinperium :I despise the RCC (happy, hahaha) ... have I been unclear somewhere ... what in the world is whinny about that pray tell??? As far as I am concerned, the RCC doesn’t have anything at all to do with a real religion and never did. Nice to know they have a supporter in you though … I suppose.
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="944" id="3066988"]Sinperium[/quote]This is about as far as my tolerance will endure. If all you can do is whine about how cruel life is ... I suggest you get another one. You have had ample time to make a point ... any point ... and you still choose to just whine. This clip is to give everyone perspective of the insignificance of your (or my) existence... [video]http://youtu.be/wupToqz1e2g[/video]
[quote who="AlLanMandragoran" reply="946" id="3067013"]Why is the speed of light in a vacuum 299,792,458 meters per second and not 1 meter per second or 999,999,999 meters per second?[/quote]I don't really care ... do you. I know why (you are familiar to the laws of physics) it is so ... but so, what is your point??? Do I need to whip out my trusty science book ... or are you just being silly??? For the time being I will accept your numbers as reasonable ... strange that it is just under
Smoothseas; It goes beyond that. Hitchens stated that the concept of a supreme being also empowered such people to do and say anything in the name of such power … without the need to justify anything to anyone, even themselves … much as it still is today. So it is a two sided sword; the loss of their individuality and the authority to do anything they desire. This sounds pretty damn totalitarian to me, for sure.
[quote who="Anthony R" reply="24" id="3066796"]Anthony R[/quote]I agree, Paul has some peculiarities but who doesn't, huh. I understand your concern over his WWII comments but if you take the time to look at what he says about it you might change your mind. I remember a big argument I had over the Korean conflict. I wasn't real pissed at first ... except he used one of my old time favorite classic SF movies in a disparaging way (The original, The Day the Earth Stood Still). So my mood
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="941" id="3066709"]The Catholic church--like it or not--is greatly responsible for preserving scientific knowledge through the Dark Ages.[/quote]You might want to reconsider this statement some, just a suggestion. Well ... thanks for helping, we need all the help we can get to fill in more historical puzzle pieces. But what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? David, your insecurity is obvious. None of this has to do with how smart we think we are o
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="938" id="3066506"]Sorry, just had to put that out there [/quote]I'll bet hahaha, butttt ... it wasn't our fault if it is actually in those late books. I am sure that the scientific community knew better ... but the Christians were in charge of education ... whewwww, that was close. tetleytea: That is pretty vague on your part don’t you think. What is it that I don’t “care about” did you miss it … or did you just forget
[quote who="tetleytea" reply="932" id="3066330"]How about you just pick? Pick the part of the Bible you wish to disprove, and disprove it.[/quote]Where to start ... sure wish I had the wherewithal to undertake such a foolish endeavor ... but I don't. You must have mistaken me for someone who cares about god or his/your book. Sorry ... because the whole book is bogus as it is foundationally wanting and void of proof and even common sense. So I don't care for one part any more than anot
[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="238" id="3066275"]I've heard this argument plenty of times, and I won't say it doesn't have relevance in a few particular cases. But I think this is highly misleading of most atheists. You after all believe that humanity and the material worlds exist, atheists simply do not believe in anything else. But that does not mean they automatically think that humanity or the material world is any more important than you do.[/quote]Good argument ... well said.
Bill Maher is an example of a comic who likes his chosen 'profession'. Pay all the attention to him you like but why in the world do you pick such jewels and then try to manipulate them to support some cause but their own? Always the other guys picking on the largest religious organization on the planet ... the pore RCC known worldwide for their generosity, concern for their fellow believers man and their compassion and tolerance of
Never looked at it that way ... humm ... but I think we are already on the precious and I think it is going to take something quite drastic and damaging to change the direction we are headed in … and I see nothing approaching another viable solution in the republican field. What better person to throw (vote, sorry) into the middle of this mess. If there is anything politically appealing to me any more … it is electing someone (just about anyone semi-qualified) both parties despi
Same book ... same religion ... call it what you want. There are many of these 'perfect' books available worldwide ... but you chose this one. Incidentally, maybe you missed the numerous mentions of mine that it is the bible itself, that RCC creation, that abomination to the individual that is the source of all this nonsense and hatred. How you personally chose to deal with it is not my concern. My concern is that you are in fact pleading the case that the bible is the word of god ...
[quote who="GoaFan77" reply="232" id="3065758"]GoaFan77[/quote]What is bigoted about atheism. How can I as an atheist be a bigot just because I do not believe in god? Bigotry IMO is defined as a difference of opinions … but is based on the refusal to accept different views when given ample proof for the argument . I do not believe in the one god or any god perceivable through only mysticism, but that in no way prevents me from changing my
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