[quote who="Sinperium" reply="165" id="3058940"]You can fold your arms and say, "Inconceivable--I reject that!" but based on what? Is one way more plausible than the other when you cut to the core of it?[/quote]You bet there is a difference. I don't gamble and I do my best not to guess ... but I live in the real world not some imaginary would be perfect place. There is no perfection in my (anyone’s) life, on our planet or in the universe. We cannot be more knowledgeable without time
Basic timeline will do it for me so take your 2,000 year old book and sit on it … maybe some of the crap will drain out. The basic timeline of a 4.5 billion year old Earth, with approximate dates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolution 3.8 billion years of simple cells (prokaryotes), 3 billion years of photosynthesis,<
Sinperium; I am pretty much done with this thread and am not going to play here with this nonsense much if at all. The science is sound so believe what you will. Are you putting yourself in front of the world and specifically the Christians and that means the RCC ... as being the focal point for defining religion for everyone else ... or you are not. Now if the RCC(C) is wrong as we seem to agree, then what in the world are you even doing with a bible ... a complete fabrication by said
"I am an atheist and I am tired of all these theist games … the sciences speak for themselves and need not be defended … certainly not from supernatural accusations. It should be assumed that because I do not believe in god … I do not believe in the spawned religions that (first?) ‘followed’, their good books of death, destruction and domination or the good people the RCC has privately chosen to so anoint, hahaha. We can ‘go back’
I am an atheist and I am tired of all these theist games … the sciences speak for themselves and need not be defended … certainly not from supernatural accusations. It should be assumed that because I do not believe in god … I do not believe in the spawned religions that (first?) ‘followed’, their good books of death, destruction and domination or the good people the RCC has privately chosen to so anoint, hahaha. We can ‘go back’ a
Lula; Nice to see you still have a sense of humor ... it helps me get through life easier. Science doesn't claim perfection (that is reserved just for you) because there is no such thing ... there cannot be. Do you see anyone closing down their respective sciences because they are 'perfect' hahaha? Science is self-correcting and continuously peer reviewed. But the RCC’s creation has never been peer reviewed (accepted) because the RCC does not believe they have any. Every att
[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="132" id="3057150"]... the Catholic Church is that supposes it is representing God's will on earth, which seems to imply that it is infallible...[/quote]This is one of the problems I have with it too, among others. This is all you really need you know. Any group of theologians who get together and collectively boast they are the very essence of god on earth is the ultimate blasphemy ... to speak and act for god himself. No one besides a Catholic believes this
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="130" id="3057104"]Life is too short and facts too many. And yet, men illogically reject the idea of authority in religion.[/quote]Lula; seems you are never going to get this right. Atheists just do not believe in your god or anyone else’s and because of this ... we have no use for the slavery required of the religions which are completely based on the gods we do not believe in, give me a brake here, geeze. This shouldn’t be that complicated …
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="889" id="3056601"]The rest is generalization. You might not have to have an experience in every case to explain something but you assuredly have to know what the experience is to explain it--and you don't.[/quote]I guess you are just screwed then ... else you will have to wait for the rest of humanity to get 'experiencing'. The rest of what (?) exactly is just generalization, humm? Sinperium; Sorry, but all your arguments relate to your
Seleuceia, many try to dismiss ‘science’ (when necessary) as some little competitive thing … but we are talking a lot more here. Evolution is independently verified by many different branches of science like Ecology, Genetics, Medicine, Cellular Biology, Immunology, Embryology, Anthropology, Molecular Biology, Histology, Cellular Biology, Anatomy, Paleontology, Cosmetology and logical common sense to name a few … independently confirm evolution … end
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="76" id="3056556"]I don't approve of homosexuality. For that, you resort to name calling. [/quote]What names??? What are you supposed to call people who dislike (unto hate) homosexuality? Catholics ... or maybe ... homophobic would do. You try and force issues like a child. [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="76" id="3056556"]I think given the discussion it's a relevant question. Care to respond?[/quote]I did respond and you are still being foolishly
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="73" id="3056536"]Can you think of a good reason why the media coverage surrounding the murder of a "gay" college student Matthew Shepard should be any greater than the sadistic killing of 13 year old Jesse Dirkhising by two homosexual lovers in Arkansas?[/quote]Nope, I don't see any difference if the facts prove out ... but you like to overly 'embellish' things … I see … you should have read the whole article because it completely answ
No real problems like this on my desktop ... but much the same as the others on the laptop. Memory intensive games accompanied by overheating, shutdowns and lockups is classic. BTW, 100 c =the boiling point of water ... think about putting your hand in a pot of boiling water ... like Jafo said for sure!!!
Doc: I believe the reference was to the 'revolutionary' processes ... not the specifics in each case, hahaha ... or the case you decided to take offense of. You were joking ... right? Rightwinger: The open and I stress open homosexual ‘revolution’ is just such a case and they are using the same proven process and arguments. Is there another way for them? Why should they have to change anything? Or are you uninterested at all in their being people rights?
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="123" id="3056425"]Ah, once again, using the Inquisition to try to slam the CC and Catholicism.[/quote]Who are we supposed to blame Lula, or are we just supposed to forget? Maybe the Jews could be blamed for the inquisitions too, who cares for your excuses. Seems to me that a simple solution to something detestable wouldn't be to experiment with it (make it better, hahaha) ... the Catholics decided to continue the barbaric ritual of their own volition. Nothi
[quote who="tetleytea" reply="880" id="3056286"]Big Bang and Creationist belief are not necessarily mutually exclusive.[/quote]You might get leeway with this if you had said ID instead of Creationism. But no matter, the courts have already ruled that ID is just Creationism repackaged and as everyone knows, that is about God mucking about with everything. Regardless of our personal beliefs, the Bible does not in any way support a timely creation that approaches our physical reality ... as we k
[quote who="Heavenfall" reply="881" id="3056288"]I'm open to that possibility that god created evolution and the earth, that he/she set the whole thing spinning so to speak. But there's just no evidence for it.[/quote]I am willing to stipulate to this idea, but with one additional caveat ... Once the creation was done ... there was no interactions with the universe once things were set in motion and the laws of physics were established and have not since changed.
String theory and multiple universes are just over my head … let the scientists have this out. M-theory is too complex (for me) and I don’t have the math skills to even try. A good name for my theory though would be “The Yoyo Theory”. [e digicons]B)[/e]
stevendedalus: From what I have found out, there seems to be some pristine primordial gas clouds observed and is assumed to have been produced in the first couple of minutes after the big bang … not the cause of it. But I do have an alternative theory that completely explains the big bang…
That does seem to be the American way ... my way or nothing. Carter was an idiot and Chamberlain was a traitor ... I think you are just off base here. I am much more impresses with voting records than wishy washy PC policics and conjectures. If you think we need to poke our big nose into everyone elses business ... RP wouldn't be the one to vote fo. thats for sure. Santorum seems to have a similar agenda ... [video]http://youtu.be/ZcoypxAT4S0[/video] Just in case you wante
Lula, how does God teach you or anyone else anything … I wish He would just stop by and say hi? God came first in your scheme of things and seemingly was known to many before the Bible was a concept … how did your God communicate with those illiterates without the benefit of your compilation of wisdom? Who is next in the line of succession below God the lord, Jesus the king and then who … how does this Godly knowledge filter down to the peons? A few lines should suffice L
[quote]For instance, he seems to think that Iran is completely non-threatening to the United States. It’s hard to take such a position seriously when the Iranian people have a holiday called, "death to America Day."[/quote]I'll bet they aren’t very big on Christmas either ... so what. We viewed the USSR as an empire of evil with thousands of nukes and plenty of long range delivery systems including nuke submarines off our coastlines. What are the Iranians going to do, swim ove
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="67" id="3055522"]The day Shepard died, Clinton pressed Congress to pass hate-crime legislation that specifically favored homosexuals.[/quote]Lula, why do you need to do this kind of thing … is this a RCCC thing or what? Shepard was mortally attacked in October, 1998 and died 6 days later. Wyoming tried to enact hate crime legislation … during their next session but that failed. Clinton's ‘efforts’ were rejected by the Congress in 1
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