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Couldn't agree more. Gay Marriage Attorney Ted Olson

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Lula, I think homosexuality is already well affirmed in society (a hate crime you know!!!) and throughout the government, the Churches and around the world. They have the rights of all other single Americans (here), but they are stopped there, for now. If you don't know of the benefits gleaned from marriage and civil contracts ... then you haven't been listening to the poor and downtrodden people whose soles you are salivating over. You don't listen to what anyone else says knowin

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You cannot have Jesus without God and the only acceptable Christian God would have to be the God of the OT. Yahweh ((YHWH) modernly translated Jehovah) which is the covenant name of God and occurs 6,823 times in the OT. How can anyone who believes in the “Son of God” not believe in his ‘Dad’? Are the OT tales good and bad, somehow now not true or relevant anymore because the RCC closed that chapter in our history for us? Isn’t that the same as saying the original

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Rightwinger #51: For someone who had " has no valid opinion on the subject ", you seem to found a few. So you read an article and learned of the covert GAY conspiracy to undermine our public (of course) school children to increase their gay numbers … huh. That must have been a very convincing religious article indeed. Knock on reality here … strange that’s just how religion wo

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="33" id="3053771"]But here's the distinction. I have not ever condemned the person who calls him/herself "gay", but rather their sexual behavior, homosexuality, which is intrinsically disordered and against the natural law since the body parts don't fit.[/quote]How do you separate the two Lula??? You talk humanely but your actions don’t agree. We all have our opinions, but most of us make them and move on … but causes hang around well past t

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We are not responsible for educating the masses, at least I am not. If people want to believe there are no ‘gaps’ in evolution, they are entitled to be wrong … so I don’t care what misconceptions they have. All one has to do is poke a few buttons and correct their own errors. There is no point of contention here, not in the learned people anyway. The scientific community has made and proven their case to the satisfaction of all but the religious folk, imagine that hah

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="102" id="3054850"]What does this mean? [/quote]Lula, it simply means that the RCC has made claim that they were and still are the only ones self-empowered to speak for God in all matters … and all others are just pretenders ... many times you told me this???

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[quote who="stevendedalus" reply="874" id="3054805"]"primordial soup"[/quote]I want to see you sneak that one past the believers ... it sure didn't work for our origin, hahaha. The science around the 'big bang' is just out of my league is all? Last I looked, they were still trying to prove they could produce ‘matter’ from ‘nothing’, but I thought that avenue to be counter intuitive. I am sure this would be a hard sale to just about everyone … I need

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Yea, you got me there, hahaha. But he still has to get elected and I do not think his chances are all that good. I know I won't be voting for him anyway.

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Seleuceia, I don't know where you got your information from but you are wrong here. We know what forces allow evolution to work. We just lack an adequate lab to recreate the differing conditions ... and of course there is the time thing ... it takes a lot of time this evolution. When you walk out to your car and start it ... do you ever say to yourself geeze ... "I wonder how is started". How many things are there in our complicated lives that we all use daily and never once ask ourselves

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stevendedalus, sorry but this won’t fly anymore. What atheist zealotry are you bemoaning in your article? The way I see it, we have ‘science’ which views things in the real world, physical things, detectable things. Then we have the various theologies that seem to believe that they have a better solution garnered from their particular book of enlightenment. No connection here: science and mysticism. You cannot prove magic and you cannot mystify the history of the Universe an

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[quote who="Heavenfall" reply="67" id="3054577"] But, for 2) to be true, which is what intelligent design "really is", one must also prove that it WASN'T a result of random acts, that there WAS an intelligent designer.[/quote]This is just the opposite side of the same argument they make ... "You nonbelievers have to prove God doesn't exist". The burden of proof lies on the believer, but science has proven its case and the theists just continue to harp about faith.

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="94" id="3054674"]I think there could be alien life somewhere out in the universe. But I can't describe it, predict its form or nature or even know if its there. It would be absurd for me to begin a movement to "prove" or "disprove" aliens exist. I can do neither. You are in the same position with God.[/quote]Obviously the USG thought it a good idea … ever hear of “search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI)”, a useless endeavor(IMO) wit

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="86" id="3054438"]If you keep phrasing the argument along the lines of, "I know you people are crazy and can't possibly defend yourselves so why do you keep defending yourself because you are all crazy" then there really isn't a discussion going on--just a regurgitation of the same personal viewpoint rephrased over and over for one's own hearing and approval.[/quote]At some point you need to realize I (at least) am discussing atheism here in the

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[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="92" id="3054546"]Furthermore, one can be a "Christian" and believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ without needing all the other "baggage" included in the bible...[/quote]I don't believe in the Bible period and the literal translation is a Christian made problem. The Bible which of course is cherry picked for the good parts and the unappealing parts just get ignored. Isn't that what is wrong with this country ... they cherry pick the Constitution and onl

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Sinperium, the simple fact remains that the Bible is not consistent with the known facts such as the age of most things (man included) back to and including the universes creation. It has nothing to do with what you or I believe, it has to do with the facts as known today, not things thought to be true two thousand years ago. If there were any religious facts at all I would be glad to hear about them. But, if you believe the Bible, then the earth and the universe are six thousand years old. I

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Hahaha I am sure they did. Not sure what else to post here. No one seems interested in rebutting so take that for whatever it is worth, hahaha.

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="82" id="3054363"]The problem is human nature. It isn't that God is broken--we are. And we keep elevating "our ideas" to divine status thinking "our way" will make it work.[/quote]The only people who think of 'divine' thoughts are the religious folk ... the rest of us live in the real world of numbers and facts. We are not making these comparisons, the religious community is? We are just people trying to get better at what we do and learn more about ev

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[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="78" id="3053847"]Most Catholics I know oppose their own church in some ways. Or simply pick and choose which parts of the doctrine they wish to believe or follow.[/quote]The problem here is internal and needs be handled internally. As I see it, the RCC speaks for Christianity on a world scene, what a pity. Two thousand years and they still cannot decide amongst themselves which end of the stick is sharp or whose eye to poke it into. I guess I am tired of listeni

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Lula, what do you suggest the gay community do to appease your frail marriage vows / system? Most don’t use the Church today anyway … so you have all those marriages to contend with too. Am I myself not “wed” because I didn’t use the Church? You know if this is about marriage, you might be better served going after the divorce system which makes it so easy to split the marriages asunder. Your attack should be waged against the legal system, not the people trying

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The Protestant separation from the RCC was a return to Christianity as per the Bible. And a major contributing factor was that the RCC from the Pope on down were bought and paid for ... which isn't very Christian at all. I think they have a much more valid case for moral values than the RCC ever did. Most who are not Catholic opposes the RCC ... it is not just me. Slavery means the same to everyone.

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Lula, I don’t care to discuss homosexuality with you or any Christian who abjectly condemns them to a person … unheard and unseen. These arguments of yours are a disgrace to logic and common sense. I am willing to bet that you know little more than what you have seen on TV and in your Catholic hate mail. I don't care what the RCC does or doesn't do or why anymore ... they are a nonentity to me ... meaningless. The debate over "Science or God" has long since been dec

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Rightwinger, this may seem strange to you, but when you quote someone by name, they are probably going to have something to say about it (I normally do). If you actually want to debate ‘Science or God, you just let me know but drop the tough guy act, it’s not very conciliatory. And besides, Lula is perfectly capable in her own defense as you will learn with time. If you just want to pat backs, you had better be Catholic because if y

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Sinperium, good points … the prisoner thing was a bit over the top though. The nefarious RCC (not Lula!) has usurped the authority of god Himself … for the riches, the control and of course the POWER. He who “controls” the word of God wields the unlimited power. What could not be justified by such zealots in the name of their chosen one? This is exactly the mentality behind suicide bombers … they just march to a different drummer is all. God beyond a per

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Lula, always the fictitious explanation but quite inconsistent with what you have said ... you said that if a human doesn’t convert to Catholicism, they cannot go to Heaven … so which is it? It was really a yes / no question? [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="69" id="3053298"]Protestant today is without guile. He only repeats the contradictions of Protestantism which he has been programmed without let up since childhood. [/quote]Exactly ... and the same applies to you too &