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Sorry I missed your post because stardust is where it all started. There are imponderables that we will most assuredly never get an answer for, just the facts of life. If you are prone to theological answers then your search is over because god is there to fill in the gaps. But if you are normal and curious, inquisitive and reasonably educated, well there is a whole universe out there to explore. Just the things made real in the last hundred years are astounding and there is no reason anymore

Reply to Epistemology in Philosophy JoeUser Forums

David, you have no idea what I have seen and experienced beyond the little discussed, and you would do well to remember that. If you call your childhood experience normal, then you still need help. I don't GAS how one feel about god; there is nothing normal about what you described so far. In all of my 60 years and 4 days, the only people I wanted to 'murder' were people who grievously affronted me or my family (3 people, all cops) but I awakened and limited it to hate till time d

Reply to Why am I a Hater? in US Domestic JoeUser Forums

Lula, was there some point to the above nonsense besides plugging the RCC agenda? There are consequences today when you kick people in the ‘nads’ as long as you folks have been hammering and murdering gay folk … kind of like with you and your witches and wizards and whatnot. It wasn’t much over 200 years ago and you guys were still trying to murder witches too. This OP was a joke and expressed nothing so much as the bigotry and hypocrisy of the author. I doubt there e

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="104" id="3186628"]If I truly lived an existence where truth was relative and only internally conceived and perceived, I'd do whatever I pleased and sleep soundly at night. Why not steal? Why not murder? Why not lie? If you have something and I want it and can get it for free without being caught , why not take it?[/quote]You just do not seem to be able to comprehend the other side of the coin at all do you?. If you need some crusty old book to

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="102" id="3186535"]If I didn't believe and my child asked, "Why do people believe that stuff?" my response would be, "Go ask one of them and find out.".[/quote]And you would be grossly negligent unless you didn't even know why you were a disbeliever. Your children need your guidance, your expertise and your experience but to turn a blind eye like this tells me you are just being argumentative or that you are clueless here too. So no god means no responsibi

Reply to Obama and Freedom of Religion in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="59" id="3186176"]Reply #59 lulapilgrim[/quote]Lula, if you were really interested in religious freedom you would fight for other religious causes too, but it seems that the RCC-C is all you want a free pass for. When you figure out why you fight to deny others their religious freedom, you may begin to see why I will continue to argue against yours … too. PS - I turned 60 today but as my avatar shows I age well, hahaha.

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="99" id="3186030"]You're angry at religion--why?[/quote]I don't know so why don't you tell me that too??? Do you hate all the other religions … because I don’t? It’s not for me is all … so what. I try not to become ensnarled in religious conundrums because there is only one valid point of view … theirs. But when they try and get their dogmatic hatreds made legal I take offense. And when people take a barbaric dogmatism

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[quote who="GirlFriendTess" reply="96" id="3185998"]Ok geese, what absolutes are there then, just name one other?[/quote]Come on David, a pretty simple question here??? [quote who="GirlFriendTess" reply="98" id="3186012"]What part of there are no human moral absolutes do you not understand … or can you provide one or two conclusive examples to the contrary?[/quote]Ditto [quote who="Sinperium" reply="99" id="3186030"]If there are no absolutes, there is no "right" or "wrong", no "good" o

Reply to Epistemology in Philosophy JoeUser Forums

Unfortunately David, I disagree with all of it. I am not absolutely sure of anything because I have no conclusive proof one way or the other on any subject whatsoever. This is simply based on the exacting biblical standards you profess for yourself. But I have to base my decisions on those things I can actually understand ... not those things you believe or think you understand. I stopped playing the ‘what if’ game too when my children proved to be resistant to reality under such

Reply to Obama and Freedom of Religion in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="57" id="3185861"]First, I get the unalienable (can't be given away, taken away or abridged) right to practice my religion from God. According to the Declaration of Independence this truth is self-evident. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are Life, Liberty, and pursuit of Happiness."[/quote]What in the world does “Life, Liber

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="95" id="3185854"]Reply #95 Sinperium[/quote]This statement is an affront to logic of any kind??? Ok geese, what absolutes are there then, just name one other? This is a crock and you are just whining here. You know darn well why I view the bible as a work of fiction (because it is) and you damn well should understand what that means for an opposing standpoint or argument. At what point do you place credence in any other work of fiction like the Ko

Reply to The arrogance of Religion in Ethics JoeUser Forums

The god of the desert; the god of death and the three Abrahamic desert dogmas which spawned are just variations of the same cult of death. They all worship the same loving and kindly god … differently … to the exclusion of everything else even reason. They all know how crazy the others are … they just cannot seem to look in a mirror with any rational objectivity probably because they don’t have any. Mankind seems to have been ‘produced’ just t

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="55" id="3185731"]Reply #55 Jythier[/quote]What new law would that be (???) that denies you this freedom … or is this just more wailing about your self-perceived religious persecutions? If there were some law to this effect as if, I would call you a fool to pay it any mind in your homes or private schools. Life is too short for self-flagellation like this. I don’t think you can back up even this simple statement of yours … at least not with

Reply to Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity in Ethics JoeUser Forums

[quote who="Jythier" reply="12" id="3178884"]Scientists that experiment to verify observable phenomenon are awesome. I like those scientists.[/quote]Well then which sciences don’t fit in here. I cannot think of one myself that doesn’t require some kind of observable phenomenon to work with … else there would be nothing to test or observe and no reason to suspect any deific intervention. How about naming just one or two of the scholastic sciences that are defunct … an

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First Amendment ; “ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” How do you get from this to … here … and here ... and here??? [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="41" id="3182371"]Attacking our freedom of conscience</e

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="93" id="3179927"]Perhaps pragmatism? [/quote]David, I am just tired of all the mind games. People seem to think if they study hard and long enough, they will become adequately enlightened and self-empowered to tell everyone else what's what ... in all matters. They also seem to think that if they themselves believe in something enough, personally, it just ‘has’ to be true and it must be applied to the rest of the world. I do not concern myself wit

Reply to Epistemology in Philosophy JoeUser Forums

Epistemology was not what she really wanted (upon reflection) but it is what she asked for. Sorry for any misunderstanding. I suppose the boob that posted this probably meant Empiricism which emphasizing experience, especially experience based on perceptual observations by the senses. How about a change in subject matter to Empiricism then ???

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="36" id="3179671"]Reply #36 lulapilgrim[/quote] LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy — Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith. The pontiff, speaking as he was concluding his holiday in northern Italy, also said tha

Reply to Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity in Ethics JoeUser Forums

The word “God” is a singular noun mistranslated from the plural Hebrew noun “Elohim” or gods, the trinity perhaps? This concept became Christian doctrine during the first council of Nicaea in 325 CE when the “bishops and the Christian church of Rome (Constantine) gathered to decide what we were to believe henceforth. The council's role in establishing the biblical canon is a fallacy and dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ vi

Reply to A leap of faith in Ethics JoeUser Forums

Genesis 8: God remembered Noah and the animals … remembered??? And he made a wind blow that assuaged the water. 2 – 3: All the celestial water spigots were shut and the flood gates were unbroken??? And the water returned to whence it came, yea from whence it came. The water drained after 150 days. 4 – And the ark rested in the 7th month, the 17th day, upon the mountains of Ararat ~ 3 miles above sea level . 5 – Here i

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Genesis 7: Noah and family entered the ark. 2 – 3: God re-instructed Noah to gather seven of the clean beasts and all birds and two of the unclean animals as before. He must have considered the blood sacrifices as an afterthought, whatever. 4 – Just after getting the revised numbers, Noah is given 7 days until the flood begins. 5 – 6: Noah did what was commanded, somehow in seven days and was 600 years old when the flood begins. 7 – 9: N

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="25" id="3178519"]Reply #25 Jythier[/quote]They are our scientists not mine … and they use other methods when one doesn’t work. I am sure you didn't read any of the disclosures the scientists made because I am sure you never read any of their scientific papers and I am also sure they were absent from your religious hate mail. This is not my OP so if you just want to play games, I will accom

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="23" id="3178420"]Also, money runs the world, but your scientists and greatest minds are somehow not above the pull of money and/or making results fit into the preconceived mold they have created for themselves, and that they are paid to maintain?[/quote]All you seem to need is a bible and you have all the information and equipment you need to disavow the best minds in the world just because you know. However the best minds in the world didn’t get there by sho

Reply to Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity in Ethics JoeUser Forums

If you are a Muslim fundamentalist (applies to all dogmatic beliefs), then you are as knowledgeable as you are ever likely to become, but there is still time to digress further (to be forced on everyone else too) into a physical first century world taken verbatim from your first millennium psychotic fact book. They didn’t have any science then so they are excused for their ignorance, but they sure could have used it. I still remember when and where algebra became a mathematical discipli

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Genesis 6: Who are the ‘sons of god’ … and what right did they have to just take whatever human virgin they pleased (boys 1, girls-1)? This is the first contextually correct usage of the plural term ‘adam’ which translates as ‘humanity’. Strangely, god said (to whom?) that humans would live 120 years. This doesn’t measure up the biblical lifetimes of Genesis 5. There were giants ‘in the earth’ then [why], that can mean anyth