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[quote who="Jythier" reply="5" id="3174986"]That was a joke by the way. You make stuff up about the Bible all the time.[/quote]Name ONE instance ... and don't give me this shit about being tired or not ... how could you possibly know yourself unless god sat you down and actually told you the facts of life, as opposed to your reading someone else's thoughts on the matter, which is all you have, a silly un-authored book. The bible doesn't need me to rip it a new arse, the barbarians

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Lula, I understand perfectly where you are coming from, been there done that and never going back. This is the problem: were Zeus to mystically materialize in your church and explained the facts of life, you wouldn’t believe even him just because he is the wrong god (that is just how the gods work, all of them). Maybe your god will do this himself one day, but surely not until he stops hiding from the universe too.

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="2" id="3174887"]Where do you get your information on Christianity?[/quote]The bible ... where do you get yours???

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="68" id="3174888"]You aren't having a conversation or discussion here GFT...you're simply talking out loud to yourself. That's not why other people are trying to participate in these threads.[/quote]I have never said otherwise and I have no idea why other come here and neither do you, obviously. I am not here to change anyone else's mind or to placate them and I am not obligated to mollycoddle people because their feelings might get hurt. I am here

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="64" id="3174368"]My Bible contains the only plan of salvation that doesn't require anything from man.[/quote]What planet do you live on? At what point does Christianity not demand the complete and absolute slavery of the entire human species, believer and nonbeliever alike. You have all the free choice you seem to need, but what is it that you are free to choose? The answer of course is absolutely nothing unless it conforms to your masters (in the Vatican) whim

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="66" id="3174761"]As to the bible-- it has to reflect my experience to be of any use to me and so far it has. Go figure. Seems to really work for a lot of other people too--hypocrites aside.[/quote]Well I see there is no point in carrying this half of a discussion any further, sadly. I have never told you that you were wrong. I have never told you how to live your life or what to believe in. I have never told you what you have to change to be accep

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To call oneself a Christian today doesn’t tell anyone much besides maybe that they are believers in Crist. Beyond that the sky is the limit. There are a thousand different ‘sects’ of Christianity alone and the bible is used exclusively by all of them to justify their peculiar flavor of Christianity. How does the Christian (ANY) sale pitch start? All you have to do is believe in Jesus as your god and have faith in him, alway

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[quote who="Sinperium" reply="60" id="3174192"]Reply #60 Sinperium[/quote]I cannot touch your spirituality nor would I want to, it is your personal experience and you are entitled to it … as we all are. However your extraordinary circumstances do not have any bearing on the inaccuracies and deceptions (there for everyone to see) in every bible. I wasn’t talking about the way of Jesus; I was talking about Jesus himself as a man-god. Had you called him Tom, Dick or Harry

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Jythier, could you please explain the realistic logic for this statement considering there are many religions, many bibles and many different words from the gods: "Your bible is the inerrant word of everyone's god because your bible says so"??? It seems that everything in your bible makes sense to you ... but we will have to take one issue at a time.

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="59" id="3174035"]Reply #59 Jythier[/quote]I offer proof all the time but religious folk just refuse to accept it as anything besides destructive wistful thinking with no merit at all. I can no more make you receptive to reality than I can that the bible is not what you think it is. But you suffer from confirmation bias where you only read literature from people who already agree with you, or just as in the bible, you dismiss or excuse the distasteful parts. The onl

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[quote who="drmiler" reply="147" id="3173759"]because what it actually after is a CIVIL UNION not a MARRIAGE. marriage in and of itself should only be between man and woman. BIG difference between marriage and a union![/quote]A rose by any other name is always still just a rose no matter how anyone wants to define it. Or do semantics (PC) play an important role in your rational?

Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity in Ethics JoeUser Forums

To classify a belief as delusional, it must meet the following requirements: It cannot be based on our physical reality in any way because it must be miraculous, beyond human ken. There can be no real world evidence for its existence because some might eventually think to look for it. Nothing else matters. Faith is unreliable, harmful and so unnecessary. If one has evidence, there is no need of faith because you have the evidence.

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="97" id="3173665"]Why don't you write one slamming the Islam's Qur'an? or one slamming the Talmud?[/quote]Because they are all one and the same to me … I don’t believe in magic (anyone’s magic) and I was raised Christian is all I can think of. And because Christianity is the only religion important to you (RCC, Inc.), and I could see no reason to discuss something we both don't believe. I know it was a typo I just couldn’

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="56" id="3173353"]Reply #56 Jythier[/quote]Everything you said is just argumentative and pointless. You told me several times now that the bible has to be 'properly' decoded’ because people are too stupid to do it themselves. I assumed you meant the biblical writers and other upstarts like the Pope all of whom wear robes and wear funny little hats ... I didn't realize you considered yourself their equal, sorry. All the nonsense about paying p

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="95" id="3173192"]You haven't been able to prove that God, did reveal His written word through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost upon the human writers[/quote]I know, and neither have you??? [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="95" id="3173192"]Both portrayals of Genesis 1 and 2 were obviously rendered by the same eye Witness, God.[/quote]If this is true then he was an idiot who couldn't maintain his concoction long enough to get to paragraph 2. My mi

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="51" id="3173178"]You keep talking about God being a license to do anything and church masters having authority to speak for Him, but only the Bible has authority to speak for Him. My view is, since I know there is a God, and I know He's THIS powerful, I don't believe that God would let humans ruin his Word that He inspired to be written for our benefit. He's big enough to keep that from happening. So the written Word of God that I have is actually what

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="49" id="3173160"]That's it, now you've got it. Nobody can get to heaven at all . That's why Christianity is the only religion that makes sense[/quote]This just doesn't mean anything to me because I believe that " Nobody can get to heaven at all " and besides the religious fundamentalists that crashed jets into our buildings knew without a doubt that they were going to heaven (all that pussy and all) because their fact

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David, I don’t care what someone else wants to believe in because I have no control over their thoughts and it is their right. My problem is with organizations that preach to the rest of the world that the reason we have strife in it is just because the rest of the world will not unquestionably capitulate to whatever they want to believe in (in its entirety), and that their own Church masters’ are the only people ‘qualified’ to speak god’s mind for him (in his ab

Reply to Discovering Religion, the series in Religion JoeUser Forums

There is just too much good information in this clip … I don’t know how to summarize it without just copying the script. If you are interested in the recent history of mankind (last 8 million years) I highly recommend that you review it. It is quite clear but covers so much so quickly that I had to pause often just to try and keep up. Human evolution 1.01, enjoy. [video]http://youtu.be/nHxy_wTJfgU[/video] Discovering Religion: Ep 11 - Human Origin <a h

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="92" id="3172415"]Reply #92 lulapilgrim[/quote]Well it seems that my telling you I didn’t know just wasn’t convincing enough for you. So you continue to tell me with bible-speak and Catholic talking points that what I don’t know can’t happen??? If you really want me to make something up … well don’t bother to ask. Are there some simpler words I can use to convince you I don’t know &hellip

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="89" id="3172228"]The Bible tells us ...[/quote]The bible doesn't tell US anything factual but it does seem to tell you everything you need to know. Why do I have to be open-minded when you are completely closed minded ... and there are NO historical biblical realities? A few names and a few places I will concede, but no reality. There is no 'application' to our lives until you prove there is a god somewhere ... somehow? If you want to influence

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="86" id="3172141"]Since I have this questioning mind I questioned evolution and found it wanting. Every question about the Bible is answered.[/quote]Exactly my point but you won't get it hahaha. Name ONE ... take the fact book out of the picture and there are no monotheistic gods, whoa ... I guess Allah would still be there so let's just take their comic book away and it is bye-bye for Allah too. This tells me that your real god IS the bible itself&nbsp

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Jythier; I have no clue as to why you want to play with things you don't believe in or 'understand', makes no sense to me??? So the beginning of life on planet earth that formed ~3.7 billion years ago (keeping in mind that you cannot go back a whopping 2 thousand years and produce a single proof yourself for anything at all that you consider absolutely godly) is the only thing necessary to prove to you ... what EXACTLY … that evolution rocks??? For some unearthly reason you

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lulapilgrim; No so; for the longest time religion was the controlling factor in primary education. At some point some humans decided to mature a little and actually try to encourage scientific and intellectual honesty … and we have been removing the magical nonsense ever since. We feel it is more important to teach children how the world around them works instead of telling them god did it, no need to worry how it works, now go read your bible. The biblical authors had no more use for

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[quote who="Jythier" reply="79" id="3171895"]I would probably have your attitude too if I was standing on ground as flimsy as 'I don't know.' Luckily, my faith is based upon the fact that "We've met. God has made an impact on me that is real, and I know it."[/quote]Yea, you are so smart ... but even the subservient Eve was fooled by your devil talking snake and she lived in perfection but you got your shit together for sure,