[quote who="Jythier" reply="78" id="3171828"]I like that. You can't come up with any reasonable explanation for how life began , and neither can anyone else , without an outside force who is capable of creating it. Great. So post your videos, because your entire theory of no creator is summed up in those 3 words. 'I don't know'.[/quote]You forgot that I don't care ... and you said it quite correctly ... <stron
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="74" id="3171481"]Yes, indeed, both questions and answers are important and necessary to understand Evolution as we know it today.[/quote]Not true so there. I have never ever woke up in the morning and asked myself, "self, from whence came I", ever (be 60 next month) ... not one time ... ever. By the age of ten or so I had this beguiling of mystery all figured out. They don't teach that stuff in your community too? Lula, I don't teach
[quote who="Jythier" reply="73" id="3171461"]How did life begin?[/quote]I don't know (yet) but I have some thoughts on it. But since you will not even accept the testimony of the best minds on earth, I don't think my thoughts would even register on your scale of expertiese. But one thing I do know, it didn't happen like this five thousand years ago: [video]http://youtu.be/4SIYoD9PHVY[/video] The Bible: Genesis 1-3 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIYoD9PHVY
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="63" id="3171201"]How could the first living cell have emerged by itself from non-living matter?, No other life was in existence which could have served as nourishment...so how would it have survived?[/quote] I have no idea at all for the first question and I don't care about the second one; when life formed it wasn't done one cell at a time and cannibalism works just fine at that level. Neither of these questions (or answers) is important or necessary t
[quote who="Jythier" reply="64" id="3171252"]The problem with the random chance is that, even giving them a billion years with a billion chances per year, the likelihood of a 0% probability event happening will always be 0. So given 1 second or 500 gazillion years, life still didn't emerge, increasing order still didn't emerge from disorder, etc. That's where the whole thing falls apart , and why your billion of years
[quote who="Jythier" reply="62" id="3170994"] The problem is, though, that there is an actual truth and it's objective, not subjective. True means it's true for both of us, but you don't see the truth. So should I let you wallow in your false world? That wouldn't be very nice. I don't have time to expla
I don't know how to interpret "A Christian, in the truest meaning of the word…" to mean anything besides whatever you personally think it means. I don’t have a real problem with that (I don't care) but you are assuming you are correct. Experience has taught us that most (many) Christians think otherwise too. To me though, this means any Christian who takes the bible verbatim, as the word of god, no questions asked. This is a dictate promoted by Christendom for centuries;
I don't understand your confusion because I am not confused??? I am sure you can explain creation (but you won't), I am sure you can explain everything in the bible (but you won't) and I am sure you can express everything in your god's mind in minute detail (this you will do) because it just happens to coincide with everything YOU believe in, sum-bitch. How am I supposed to embrace your beliefs when they are rooted in a god that doesn't exist to me (doesn’t mat
[quote who="Jythier" reply="58" id="3170839"]To mock me, perhaps, but just think - you can't prove He doesn't exist, or even give a decent explanation for how life came to be without Him. [/quote]You cannot prove ANYTHING doesn't exist so we have that in common. So this claim is meaningless but often used in all honesty I am sure??? I have quite a bit of evidence concerning much enough of the universe and <span style="text-decora
Hello David, hope all is well. I view Islam just as I do Judaism and Christianity, surely you know that. If religious folk could only look at their own religion with a modicum of introspection … using the same tests and assumptions they use to dissect everyone else’s religion (even no religion), but that just isn’t done much for obvious reasons, but it should. I can take virtually every argument you have which ‘allows’ you to see Islam for the fraud it really is
[quote who="Jythier" reply="56" id="3170567"]How do I know? Because He's God. [/quote]And that is your complete argument for everything. Well I don't believe you, so what ... it's not as if you believed me (ever) ... but that is just different somehow, the Christian way I suppose. Demand respect while offering none to anyone else??? Just the excuse used whenever you want to stress that you have no real arguments but don't want to embarrass yourself ... so god does it a
Genesis 2, version 2 of creation (don’t ask me???): “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.” I don’t think omnipotence embraces getting tired from a little universal work. “Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.” … his words not mine. Now we get a little more detail concerning
This nonsense has gone on long enough now; what is your problem??? Darwin was just a man (like me, sort of), a religious man at that. He was no god (there are none) but you are trying to make him into one for my benefit of course, just like the science gods you invent on demand, as needed. He (Darwin) pioneered the “Origins of Species“ which in time became so expanded upon that it permeated into just about every scientific field we have today and that is absolute proof that you ar
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="50" id="3170350"]So, you've placed your faith in the gods of Scientism and have gulped down their kool-aid.[/quote]There are no scientific gods that I am aware of and I prefer Jack Denials having given Kool-Aid about the time I decided god was nothing but empty space in the minds of a select few. This is fun, but I would rather talk about evolution theory ... but if you insist, nonsense it will be. [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="49" id="3170337"] I
Well I had hopped this post would have lasted a while, but I being a pragmatic kind of woman, not overly interested in the psychological fields where the abstract mind is bandied about. I don’t care for absolutes be they religious or secular because we don’t know everything about anything and never will. In psychology there are no questions that go unanswered but in religion there are no answers that can be questioned (something like that). Not where I intended this post to go any
[quote]Why am I a Hater?[/quote]Rightwinger; have you figured out why you are a hater yet. I will give you another clue ... the bible tells you so. I on the other hand do not have a bible to tell me who (and why) to hate so I make these decisions along my path through life. The difference is I decide one person at a time based on our specific involvement. If I wanted to hate someone who happens to be gay, then the hate would be based of his being a big prick (hahaha), not because he is gay. I
Cat got your tongue Captain ... or do you need more time to uncover this illusive religion, just wondering??? Don't feel too bad though because I gave up trying to find it myself.
I know creationists think ALL secular scientists are screwed up so how about from the mouth on another man of god (the costume speaks for itself). But I think this priest would make for some very good conversations as opposed to the creation nonsense being bandied about as some truism. [video]http://youtu.be/uYQuvwQ4y-k[/video] A Priest Mocks Creationism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQuvwQ4y-k
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="47" id="3170172"]They understand that the automobile requires thought, intelligence and careful workmanship, but everything else around us in nature, is declared to be the result of accidental mutational mishaps, random chance, and lots of time called "stellar and biological evolution "![/quote]Then again, here you go using terminology and religious bias as if they were anything but insults which is why you guys do it, shucks. Whatever “ac
[quote who="Jythier" reply="43" id="3169890"]Reply #43 Jythier[/quote]Let's revisit some of your inquiring questions then: The religious way one silliness after another, geese. [quote who="Jythier" reply="29" id="3169452"]Why is microbiology relevant to humans coming from sludge?[/quote]Humans didn't come from sludge and microbiology is rather a newer field of study ... but it is only interested in biology on very small microscopic scale, that couldn't be of help to suppor
Whenever I see a “Flintstones” reference I have to laugh: Creationists look at such things as a documentary on early Christian life, I am more of a “Jetsons” kind a girl and prefer to look ahead myself … ok sorry I couldn’t help myself. There was one in the beginning of this clip and it was the Flintstones... Seriously though, there were no biblical cave men to my knowledge because we were supposedly made in our present image (red, yellow, black, white etc
[quote who="Jythier" reply="39" id="3169741"]Don't you feel silly now?[/quote]Not in the least ... but you should. The problem with debating a Creationist (any theologian) is that they only have one set of guidelines that everyone; believer, misbeliever and nonbeliever alike have to accept. To make things worse, then they pretend that every other issue has been resolved in god’s favor which is just gobbledygook, none have been proven godly. But it allows them to smugly sit in judgme
[quote who="Jythier" reply="38" id="3169739"]Slingshot. Pulling them back and then... pow! Fall to the earth. Celestial slingshot.[/quote]This is why you cannot be taken seriously. And what bible passages pray tell did this 'slingshot theory’ spring from? All is honky dory as long as reality can be ignored and “god did it” is used exclusively without any explanation at all ... no matter what has to be swept under the rug. If this is your idea of a discussion, well it sur
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="31" id="3169583"]Then answer, where did the law of gravity come from?[/quote]Not going to play with you like this but I will answer this again for you to disbelieve. Man invented the law of gravity just because rabbits and dogs refused to do it (or maybe they didn't GAS either). I don't care what you think about electricity either but even you should be smart enough to stay away from it and how to use it constructively. Do you have any intricate underst
[quote who="Jythier" reply="29" id="3169452"]Why is microbiology relevant to humans coming from sludge?[/quote]The terminology and the emphasis are always misguided whenever someone believes that they are somehow empowered with only factual knowledge (but are not even open to proof) and leads nowhere. I don’t know if there was some kind of sludge in our lineage, but this is already taking on biblical comparisons (from the dirt/water etc.) as if we have to go about this with miracles in
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