[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="203" id="2562856"] So to be gracious I grant Lindzen, Christy, Spencer and Pielke (Sr. not Jr.) are credible climate scientists that have expressed views that do not in all cases agree with the consensus. However like I said this is just a handful, but even this handful is particularly telling. These are all people that are totally familiar with the peer reviewed publishing process and yet *none* of them regardless of their otherwise published opinions has
[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="255" id="2565713"] ...under what conditions *you* would be forced to reevaluate *your* position. [/quote] If it could be proven that we are in the warmest period in the past 100,000 years and all natural causes are ruled out (happy? can you get back to work now?). Your wager is interesting, but I promised my wife I would never send $10k to strangers on the internet. If you really do have 10k burning a hole in your pocket, why not follow Algore
[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="251" id="2565592"] That's something that you'll have to *prove* for me to accept which clearly has not been done.[/quote] One thing that is abundantly clear is that there is no way to prove something to someone if they don't want to believe it. That is basic human nature. If all I have to say is, "your data is false", then how do you prove your data is not false? Its also interesting how much time you have on your hands to investigate, research and
[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="244" id="2565252"] Personally I have a PhD in Electrical Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and I design instrumentation for laser test missiles, CCD telescopic cameras and high bandwidth encrypted communication systems (among other things). Again so what? No one cares. I'm no less nameless and faceless to you as you are to me. [/quote] Impressive. One of the dangerous aspects of the internet is that anyone can say he h
I hate to be the one to bring this discussion back on topic... [quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="189" id="2561258"] But OK Lindzen is most definitely a credible and respected scientist even with his warts, so who else you got?[/quote] Here's a recent article relating to global warming "consensus" World may not be warming, say scientists
I do not believe there is enough scientific data to support AGW. "No statistcially significant global warming in the past 15 yeas" is a very damning set of scientific data against AGW. There are just too many uncertainties and unknowns for anyone to pin warming on anything specific. I'm not about to hand over my freedoms without a fight because some pathological liar like Algore stands to benefit. Gore has <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.h
[quote who="Ke5trel" reply="175" id="2561057"]DJ, Keep in mind that we aren't even talking about the science - just whether a consensus exists, and even here we have a perfect microscopic example of Research vs. Spin. [/quote] Well, I agree there is certainly a good amount of spin on both sides: "Lindzen decried what he sees as the intellectual corruption that global warming alarmism has brought to climatology. He noted that many clim
Kestrel, your point 3 is one of those examples of "truth in repetition". No matter how many times this lie is repeated, it remains a lie. This is old news: http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/300807Warming.htm Another thing that Climategate has exposed is the corruption of the peer-review process. Science should be about discover
Ke5trel, you win. I have no evidence. The only credible research papers nowadays are written by scientists with the stamp of approval from Algore. In fact, we should all bend over and gratefully take it in the name of embracing the stone age. Is it too late for me to cross over to your side and become one of the overlords?
I would if I thought it would be beneficial. There's no amount of evidence that would change your mind. Even if we were 10 years into the next nice age, people like you would turn it around and demand action because after all, it must be our fault.
[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="98" id="2557660"] ...in point of fact they don't think, they simply deny the science because of their political agenda forces them to deny the obvious. ...someone that denys all objective evidence so that they can maintain their belief in their own subjective delusions.[/quote] Hello Mumbles!
[quote who="Mumblefratz" reply="93" id="2556849"] D'Aleo is a joke, ICECAP is a joke and the Heartland Institute is the biggest joke of all. [/quote] The biggest joke of all is the sun. I mean, think about it. Who in their right mind would even contemplate that the sun of all things could have an impact on warming the planet??
skidiantasa is banned because she is probably really a 48 year old pedophile with a huge beer gut busting out of his wife-beater shirt as he drools over anime and nacho cheese.
Banned for forgetting this: Colossians 4:5-6 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.
Old and busted = Global Warming The New Hotness = Global Cooling The Ice Age Cometh: Experts Warn of Global Cooling It goes without saying this is the fault of evil SUV's and drastic measures are called for before its t
Read the article I linked. Basically, technology progresses exponentially. Exponential growth can not be underestimated. Its realistic to go from 1 colony ship to dominating the galaxy in just a few years. If anything, the fastest tech rate is historically too slow and doesn't go far enough. However, playing the game where all matter and energy is converted into a super intelligent substrate does not provide for exciting gameplay. In other words, play GC2 with the settings that provide you wi
Actually, technological advancement only feels linear. It really does progress exponentially, making the GC2 research rate realistic. Here's a good article (if you can get past the wacko stuff): The Law of Accelerating Returns
I've played about a dozen games. I never understood why my mil rating would drop when a fleet was in transit between worlds. Now I know. Thanks Mascrinthus! +1
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