[quote who="Daiwa" reply="402" id="3041086"]t's also interesting that you think Michael Moore has a 'message'[/quote] He does have a message. He plants doubt which should make the viewer say to him/herself don't believe everything they are telling you. If you don't doubt to some degree some of the things stated by the administration or what was put into the 9/11 Commission Report then maybe you should rethink that position since it should be obvious by now that som
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="16" id="3041181"]that set forth the group's (IDC) "Governing Goals":[/quote] Their governing goal is to make money. What they state on their website is what they use to get people to donate or buy their wares so that they may achieve their true goal of acquiring wealth.
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="397" id="3040648"]You have a nasty habit if accusing people (at least me) of just spouting things spontaneously (I guess) and then you accuse me of no previous research … you are starting to sound like Daiwa who considers himself the epitome of knowledge[/quote] You take things too personally. I was commenting about the posted clip and then asked questions? Asking questions is asking questions not making accusations. [quote who="BoobzTwo" re
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="395" id="3040457"]At least I offered an example and you offered an opinion that “Who is to say what he is saying is even true?” [/quote] You offered up someone else's opinion. Watch the clip again again. It's the guys opinion. It is easily thrown in the trash just by knowing how an autopilot system works. Have you ever used an automobile GPS system? They are accurate enough to plot you within the width of a road. There are even mo
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="393" id="3040315"]But for motive … how good is going to war for America and where in the world would the USG want a war (control, power) other than the Middle East (oil)?[/quote] I can't answer how good because I personally think it was a bad decision and we are going to end up isolated in the world because of many of the decisions that have been made. If I want to analyze what the USG does it is
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="389" id="3039939"]All I ask in return is that you acknowledge you understand that Bush and Co. had a hard on for Saddam and Iraq that well predated the war.[/quote] And that is why a while back I said analyze the history not the aftermath. Start by looking at how the Middle East was divided up at the conclusion of WWII and go from there. Foreign policy is a chess game with no predetermined path. It is a series of moves that changes from one administration
[quote who="myfist0" reply="13" id="3039414"]You guys have corporatocracy, hence the OWS movement[/quote] No question about it...The Tea Party started because of some of that also. Its roots are in the libertarian party but were immediately taken over by big monied interests. They are trying to do things from within the system and I am guessing they will fail. The people who they got elected will either jump on the bandwagon or get thro
[quote who="myfist0" reply="11" id="3039395"]politicians balls are in the queens hand bag[/quote] So the only unanswered question is whether that is better or worse than what we have...the politicians hands all over the corporations ball bags?
Does the same kind of crap go on in Canada myfist0? I suspect the politicians spin everything but do they go to the extent that some people go to here to gain political power? Do they exploit religion there as much as they do here in the States? Do you find this kind of thing better comedy than Red Green?
But of course it is science. Intelligent design must exist because as John Calvert put it "because it all looks designed". Pretty sad answer coming from a lawyer. No wonder he made a career out if it. With answers like that I certainly wouldn't hire him to defend me in court. With those kind of answers the only people that will provide him an income are people who accept simple answers to complex questions. It's simply another way the political machine uses
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="387" id="3039198"]Obviously then you do believe they designed, engineered, paid for and executed the plan almost flawlessly (3 out of 4) without assistance[/quote] Is it obvious? The Taliban at least sheltered Al Queda so one would think maybe what you think is obvious is indeed quite the contrary. Do I think they were the only ones? Probably not. Do I think it is more likely than not that if a government was involved it would be a foreign government? I
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="385" id="3038336"]is it your opinion then that everything we think is to be considered a theory[/quote] Not everything. We are dealing with putting together a series of events and facts (while trying to weed out the misinformation), to see how they may or may not relate to each other. I would call that theory. [quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="385" id="3038336"]All I asked is what was farfetched about it.[/quote] There is nothing farfetched abou
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="383" id="3038259"]As seems to be the case here for us ... I made no mention of a theory[/quote] You posted a list of things that you cannot explain about the way in which the buildings fell. Then you keep going back to getting from Point A to B. If you don't have any ideas of what may have happened then maybe you don't have a theory, but thinking that they couldn't do it alone is obviously a theory is it not? Who exactly do you think he
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="381" id="3038184"]what theory indeed?[/quote] Your theory that the questions you cannot answer about 9/11 can be answered by what actions followed. It is what led up to the incident that answers many of them and many will never be explained because the forensics are gone and the incident happened in an uncontrolled environment which cannot be reproduced . What happened after 9/11 is simply a m
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="379" id="3038147"]Who said anything about our best interest ... besides you? You do know the difference between right and wrong ... [/quote] Because people who make decisions at the level for which the topic of this thread is about do not make those decisions based on what individuals think is morally "right or wrong" they make them based on what they believe is in the best interests of this country. The results may not accomplish that in the long ru
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="377" id="3037623"]So now we see what you are concerned with. And when we steal everyone’s oil [/quote] When did I say "steal" everyone's oil? Looks like the Iraqi government is in control of their countries oil resources. In the article it shows which companies are being awarded the contracts to build out the infrastructure. But with contracts at 2 to 4 dollars per barrel in a market when oil is about 100 dollars/barrel look like most of the mone
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="375" id="3037501"]Why should I be singled out to walk everywhere I go … so I could prove something to you[/quote] You are not being singled out. The questions I posed are the same types of questions I ask myself and are being posed to anyone who reads the post. I do not expect much of anything from anybody else. We live in a relatively free country and I do not seek to impose any restrictions on those freedoms and do not seek to impose any of my bel
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="371" id="3037315"]but it changed nothing[/quote] It certainly did change something. It changed the course of Iraqi Oil production. Our National Security interest in the Middle East is to promote stability in the region.Stability means many things one of which is stability in the oil supplies to global economies, in particular our own economy as well as the economies of our allies. Here is a decent article partially about the history of Iraqi Oil production
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="367" id="3037103"]You are so caviler when you say this kind of stuff; like we have to accept it just because that is the way we do business. [/quote] I am not cavalier. nor do I like or accept the way the government does business. I live my own life by a very different set of standards. But it is what it is and I am not in the ruling class so I am rather powerless to change any of it. That is simply how I see it. I am certain that I do not k
[quote who="Paladin77" reply="4" id="3036599"]I still ask what is cheaper, name one that will replace oil.[/quote] There isn't any single alternative that will replace it. We will use several different options in varying amounts to make up for shortages as demand outpaces supply. And that will further change over time. Otherwise we will keep killing each other to decrease demand. Your "either or" mentality is a serious ha
[quote who="Paladin77" reply="7" id="3036768"]f we weren’t mixing it the cost of corn would be lower and corn[/quote] I can buy corn today for about 12 cents a bushel in the commodities market. It's cheap....really cheap. Unfortunately it is not as cheap in the grocery store because there are middlemen. Some of those middlemen transport the corn to your local market fueling their fleet of trucks with diesel and to a lesser extent natural gas. And the tug and barge units on t
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="365" id="3036806"]Smoothseas, By the way, the comment you quoted was mine, not Lula’s. [/quote] Don't know how that got messed up.....Oh well. [quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="365" id="3036806"]I thought we were discussing the mechanics of toppling buildings here[/quote] I'm not an architect or demolition expert (or well read in either) so I can't look at the issue from that point of view. All I can do is see where the data co
[quote who="Paladin77" reply="5" id="3036610"]Grocery bills are high because we have that crappy corn based fuel additive mandated by the government[/quote] Its mandated to ease demand in the gasoline market. If we weren't mixing it in we would need all that much more gasoline and the price would rise significantly. [quote who="Paladin77" reply="5" id="3036610"]Just that alone caused the troubles this summer in the Middle East.[/quote] Wow. I can't even imagine
[quote who="Paladin77" reply="1" id="3036220"]Seriously if you know of one that is cheaper than oil, and is available for mass consumption I will gladly join the ranks of stop drilling[/quote] We are drilling our asses off and are still having problems meeting demand. Do you not know about the drilling in North Dakota? It is expected to surpass Alaskan oil production. You can whine all you want about political issues like ANWR (And trust me ANWR is all about politics) but there is no
[quote]Before oil there was coal. It is dirty and messy. Oil came along and that is what we use because it is cleaner and cheaper[/quote] I guess you haven't realized that oil is the most expensive fuel in terms of power generation at power plants. That is why the US only has 1% of its power generation infrastructure still running on oil. If you don't believe me go to the energy departments website and see for yourself.
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