[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="5" id="3043431"]I would put my money on the USG to be hip deep in the covert actions[/quote] I would also guess that some in the Pakistani govt may have known in advance more about some of our actions within their borders than they publicly admit. We are dealing with a government whose views on the actions we are taking are very different from the views of the people they govern. You have to keep in mind that what governments say to their people and what t
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="3" id="3042528"]We will stir the caldron and incite internal strife[/quote] This is not the situation in Pakistan. There are good reasons not to let the caldron boil over in this case. Think about this one seriously. Would you rather have a dictatorship that is "friendly" with the US or a democratically elected "religiously conservative" government looking after the arsenal in Pakistan?
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="432" id="3043288"]Since we don't exactly know what was covered up (if anything)[/quote] There is actually quite a bit of information known to be covered up. Compare what some FBI and CIA agents have openly stated vs. the content in the 911 Commission Report. Above is just two examples but there are many more easily found on the web. It is obvious that poor decision making was covered up. As far as whether one deems "poor" decision making to be mo
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="49" id="3043257"]Smoothseas ... the comment wasn't mine[/quote] I realize that. My reply was made because I don't think the poster of the original comment has any idea what imperialism actually means. He doesn't even seem to know what patriotism means, that Americans are extremely patriotic,and how patriotic (and important) it is to openly critique the actions of one's own government.
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="46" id="3043215"]“The US participates in the spread of democratic ideals, not imperialism.”[/quote] Maybe you should quote from Wikipedia since that is what he seems to find relevant. ' Imperialism is "the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire , based
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="44" id="3042993"]the US has participated in setting up new democracies, and thus has participated in the spread of democracy itself. You cannot disprove that.[/quote] That is something that certainly can be disputed, Many people believe that the foundation of democracy is based upon the concept of popular sovereignty, where the system of government is created by the will of its own people. There are many people who believe that democracy must be created
[quote who="Stant123" reply="43" id="3042970"]Some, yes, but as Great Britain and several other European nations were trading partners even before the war started, I don't see how you consider commercial shipping a step up in involvement. Again I will restate that I said "at the ONSET of WW2" 1939 is the onset of the war thus chronologically speaking 1940 comes after that. Onset Onset Onset... Pick up a dictionary and read what that word means and stop presenting arguments that clearly fa
[quote who="Stant123" reply="37" id="3042932"]For all you know I may have been a central piece in many of the activities that the US has participated in on the world scale for the past 20 years.[/quote] Actually I do know. If you had any clue about foreign policy you wouldn't be relying so much on Wikipedia to try to pull yourself out of the corner you have backed yourself into.
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="39" id="3042953"]So you really don't care to hear anything that might be different then your own opinion, you'd rather mock it and make fun of it? Interesting.[/quote] Some things are opinion however I am not mocking your opinions I am mocking your obvious ignorance of facts. History is based on factual events not opinions.
[quote who="Stant123" reply="37" id="3042932"]Why do you think Obama couldn't make good on bringing the troops home when he said he would? Its simple.[/quote] No. He never promised anything. He spins his words very carefully in order to get his flock to the voting booth. He always said "depending on the conditions on the ground". You need to "read between the lines" to understand presidential politics. [quote who="Stant123" reply="37" id="3042932"]The Lend-Lease act was si
[quote who="Stant123" reply="37" id="3042932"]Please read the second sentence of the second paragraph and report back. Honestly, I seem to be very much more informed then what you are giving me credit for.[/quote] No you should read the entire history, not just a random sentence in Wikipedia. We were involved in Vietnam for a long time before we openly sent troops. Try starting at about 1950, but knowing the history going back before then will give you an even clearer picture of the o
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="430" id="3042900"]Whistleblowers have to be squeaky clean if they are to refute charges of ‘retribution’ not that it’s fair,[/quote] It's often not retribution and even if it is they usually don't lie about the circumstances. It is the politicians that lie because they need to buy votes to stay in power. Who cares about skeletons in the closet. Everybody has them and usually they have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="35" id="3042902"]Try telling a Christian they are wrong about anything … well you better get your argument in first is all, hahaha[/quote] Most I know do not put their religion ahead of science or reason or hide behind their religion. And I live in a very rural, very conservative area with lots of churches.The only place I actually "see" the zealots are online and in the media. I don't blame people who turn to religion when they can't debate
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="33" id="3042465"]many people just don't seem very intelligent at times is all[/quote] I don't think it is about intelligence. I think it is about simplicity. Why bother spending time learning about the world around you when you can simply provide the exact same answer to all of the questions and problems in the world, and then blame all the problems on the actions of everyone else. Especially when you are allowed to sin at will because you know you
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="424" id="3042486"]I am sure there are quite a lot of people that could have been added to the list … I was just trying to make a point though.[/quote] I realize that however the information provided by people in the intelligence community is vital to understanding what was actually covered up. There are plenty of videos about Michael Scheuer. He headed the Bin Laden desk at the CIA. Look around for his interviews and you
[quote who="Stant123" reply="26" id="3041662"]what amuses me the most about Canadians in general is they think their ways are better[/quote] You seem to be exhibiting the very same same thing you are criticizing. [quote who="Stant123" reply="26" id="3041662"] when the truth is their government demands allegiance more from them then the US demands from its citizens[/quote][quote who="Stant123" reply="26" id="3041662"] And since I don't follow Canadian politics outside of ma
[quote who="myfist0" reply="27" id="3041671"]Jeeze, I couldn't get past the 2nd paragraph[/quote] Why? Were you laughing too hard? It gets even better after the second paragraph. [e digicons]XD[/e]
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="1" id="3042077"]When Pakistan signed onto the ‘war on terror’, was there some clause that said they couldn’t change their minds? [/quote] It's not about changing its mind. The government of Pakistan was put in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. What the government may think is best is usually not what the people in that country think is best. [quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="1" id="3042077"]and that means
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="28" id="3041897"]Do you actually have any common sense ... one does have to wonder?[/quote] Do you really have to wonder? It's rather obvious where that kind of thinking comes from isn't it? [e digicons]XD[/e]
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="419" id="3042051"]but you do have to admit that the USG is at least one of the best at covering their debauchery[/quote] The USG is more than likely one of the worst at covering things up. If they were one of the best you would never have found out about many of the coverups that they attempted and failed to ultimately cover up. There are so many potential sources for leaks in this government. [quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="421" id="3042162"]All ther
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="414" id="3041380"]That, too, is not politics[/quote] Actually it is playing politics, Saying "not required by statute" is fine, however saying "not required by policy " is playing politics. What she did was help draft policy and your disagreement with that policy is ALL ABOUT POLITICS. In reality you simply restated what other ideologues have quoted about the issue. Janet Reno was the AG and she was the one who
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="411" id="3041329"]But my interests here for the most part, are the hopes of keeping any of this theological nonsense out of the public school system[/quote] The courts usually get things like this right in the end and there is a lot of precedence on this issue. One thing the Political Parties love to do is try to implement laws that they know will end up bogged down in the court system. They don't want the issue to get settled because then the flock go
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="412" id="3041333"] was referring to using him as some sort of 'expert'[/quote] Most people don't take him as an expert on the subject matter in his movies. I think most people including BT know that he is a movie maker and an activist. [quote who="Daiwa" reply="412" id="3041333"]Jamie Gorelick, the principal architect of the 'information firewall' between the CIA and the FBI[/quote] You should take your politics out since i
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="68" id="3040741"]you have not addressed what I said at all.[/quote] It was totally addressed. You were just too blind to see it so let me spell it out for you. Banking regulations are not set in stone. In light of this much in regards to banking regulations is left up to the the executive branch (which sets the tone for and appoints the regulators) and much is left to the FED. So when you go back to the S&L crisis and look at the timeline as to changes i
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