[quote who="ChungasRevenge" reply="1056" id="3075684"]There is no god, gods[/quote] There certainly are. Anyone can make one up at a moments whim or through philosophical thinking as has been shown throughout history. The Gods of myth...what wonderful meaningful stories they tell. The question is is there one that is a supernatural being that actually created the universe. I say no to that one.
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="1054" id="3075664"]I say, "I have had an experience" and if someone objects and says, "We can't test it" my suggestion is, "Then change your methods"[/quote] Joseph Smith, David Koresh, and L.Ron Hubbard have all had "experiences as well". My method is to say prove it. You simply say believe me because I said so. At least the Bible uses an interesting myth filled with the mythology of prior societies to try to make people understand s<span style="text
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="463" id="3075272"]Today, under US control, Afghanistan distributes +90% of the world’s heroin trade and breaks new production records every year.[/quote] The heroin trade has more to do with corruption in the Afghanistan gov't than any connection with the USG. The Taliban makes some money off it in order to supply themselves with arms, etc. and uses the issue for political reasons. What the Taliban makes off it is a relatively small percentage so
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="357" id="3074799"]I remember this. The world's secular media had a field day claiming Bl. PJP II endorsed Darwinian evolution. His remark, taken out of context, established in some minds that the CC was ready to abandon her adherance to belief in God who created life, the universe and everything. [/quote] It has nothing to do with abandoning the belief in God. It has to do with accepting that certain parts of mythology that is presented in the bible
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="353" id="3074558"]There must be some phobia that makes people view everything and everyone including a difference of opinion as a personal attack[/quote] Xenophobia
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="347" id="3074397"]At the same time Catholic schools rightyl teach what both the Church and Scriptures recognize---the nobility in man as being made in the image and likeness of God. [/quote] However teaching such a way in U.S. public schools is clearly unconstitutional .
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="347" id="3074397"]Atheistic Evolution science[/quote] Evolution science is not atheistic. It does not teach people that God does not exist. It may contradict some peoples literal translation of Genesis, or contradict the dogma of other religions however it does not teach people that God does not exist. God is in the realm of the supernatural. the Science of evolution deals with the realm of the natural. They are dealing with two separate and dis
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="344" id="3074213"]Pseudo science evolution is the problem for public school children.[/quote] The problem lies not with the school children but with some adults who believe in a literal translation of a myth who want to censor material in public school science books (or teach theological ideas in public school</span
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="342" id="3072707"]We are NOT directly related to the ape ... study your evolution. Apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes and we only have 23 pairs ... NO DIRECT descent.[/quote] So I guess what we need to figure out is how and why God fused two "ape" chromosomes together in the Garden of Eden. http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=229 <a title="The 44 Chromosome Man" href="http:/
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1047" id="3072604"]So both mammals and humans fear what they don't understand.[/quote] Not quite so. We are often taught (or learn through experience) what to fear. As we are raised we go from an age where we are under constant supervision not only because we cannot provide for ourselves but also because we do not understand what is threatening.in life. We learn what to fear, what might be threatening in li
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1048" id="3072613"]I'll ignore the FACT that humans are mammals too, anyway.....[/quote] I've got no class so I usually ignore that I'm a mammal as well [e digicons]|-)[/e]
[quote who="ElanaAhova" reply="1038" id="3072242"]So, the only rational position to take is that of the agnostic:[/quote] That is rational for you but "reasoning" has everything to do one's own personal experiences. All three positions are rational. It is simply a matter of who is doing the reasoning.
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="338" id="3072212"]Because we should take a lesson from other country’s follies. If we are smart, we'll look to Canada to see our future[/quote] If "we are smart" then "we" should read the constitution and look at case history to see why our future will be quite different. If we are smart then "we" should read actual copies of bills instead of listening to the propagandist media sites to see what the "intent" of actual legislation is reallly al
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="1036" id="3072209"]Well said ... but you know what is coming now ... right, hahaha.[/quote] Well I don't know about you but my ashes are going over my favorite trout pond so I'm hoping to be food for thought for the big one that got away.
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1034" id="3072138"]So I didn't make that up off the top of my head, if that was what you were thinking.[/quote] I was thinking you were simply quite young. but here is what that is really about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster http://www.venganza.org/ <a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/vid
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="1032" id="3071850"]HAVE to be here policing it against flame and misfortune.[/quote] Think it might have been just a Full moon or something over the weekend.. [e digicons]O:)[/e]
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1031" id="3071807"]More like the confusion of semantics.....the reason most 'arguments' exist is simple semantics....or rather the confusion of mis-interpretation.[/quote] However that instance was not an argument. It is true misunderstanding at the core. It's an example of youth. Hint:"giant spaghetti monster flying around space" Wish I was still thinking that way. Kinda why I "ended" saying I understand why she feels that way.
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1029" id="3071766"]Can't ignore that.... as juxtapose 'theist' with 'atheist' and 'do' with 'don't' and you have the same irrelevancy. 'want' is redundant and thus meaningless.[/quote] It has more to do with the point of view....She says "feel"....I would express that as "believe".....Some people who believe "feel" what they believe. People who don't, "know" what they believe. So If I try t
[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="37" id="3071172"]Just think of the fun we could have hahaha, were we there. Bet we wouldn't get a second question though.[/quote] I bet I'd get edited out of the video and you'd get thrown out with police escort [e digicons]8C[/e]
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1027" id="3071682"]apples are common knowledge. with your reasoning this entire world might not exist, it could simply be the dream of a frog. Of course, that sounds ridiculous to human reasoning.[/quote] Actually you are talking about your own reasoning because what I stated makes perfect sense to me. Everyone reasons things very differently not only from others but also throughout their lifetimes. Mainly what I am saying is that beliefs are not alway
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1025" id="3071661"]apples have already been proven to exist[/quote] Not to someone who has never been exposed to apples or information about apples. They would believe apples do not exist. Beliefs are dependent on what the individual has been exposed to so they vary from person to person. Asking someone to disprove what they believe is illogical whether it is apples or oranges or God.
[quote who="MortalKhrist" reply="1022" id="3071625"]You need proof to disprove something as well. Otherwise, all we have is opinions.[/quote] Well then disprove that apples exist.......otherwise the existence of apples is just an opinion.
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="1012" id="3070944"]Had they kept this mysticism of theirs in the philosophical realm of righteous parables, I think the religions of the world could have thrived in peace?[/quote] Maybe that was a goal or thought of Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to William Canby, "Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus." He described his own compilat
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="325" id="3071553"]If there is no God, where this universe we live in came from...where did the lands, the oceans, the orderly planetary system come from? Did the vegetable, mineral, and animal creation and man, come from nobody, from nowhere? [/quote] What makes you think there has to have been a state of nothingness? I believe just as time going forward is boundless that it is also boundless going back so everything material we know of in life and ever
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="316" id="3071401"]Chemicals ... that just bespeaks of the 1960's, hahaha … all those mind altering drugs.[/quote] Certainly added spirituality to many who have visited the desert or the cow pasture.
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