Deference

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I'm all up for critical thinking and analysis Draginol, but now that some of these facts *Don't you know that nuclear power creates waste that is deadly for millions of years? *Don't you know Bush lied? *Don't you know that the US sold Saddam his WMDs? *Don't you know that the US trained Bin Laden? *Don't you know the CIA put Saddam in place in the first place? ..are starting to sink in with the public and are documented I would suggest

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I believe you're being sincere, Draginol and I appreciate that. However, I don't see any mention of socialism at WRL and I don't believe there is anything stated in the 'About WRL' that 'the left' can or should hold exclusive right to. Let's look at a few passages, shall we? We use peaceful means to create a society that is democratic, free of economic, racial, and sexual oppression. - About War Resistence League Let me see... Democracy? You're

Reply to TAXES-Do we pay enough? in Politics JoeUser Forums

Thanks, I think taxes could be lower and public money could be more smartly spent.

Reply to Do Democrats hate America (or at least don't like it much)? in Politics JoeUser Forums

Then I fail to see what you are questioning - Doc Guy I've written nine posts for your reading pleasure on this thread, Doc. I hope you'll see see my point eventually.

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But we do know how 46% of the democrat respondants in this poll responded to a simple question. You fear (not fail, fear) to grasp that point. - Dr. Guy But we do know how 46% of the democrat respondants in this poll responded to a simple question. - Dr. Guy Well, Doc, you can spit from the sidelines or you can enlighten us with your take. My objection to Draginol's use of the poll question to prove his point was that I thought it was an extremely poor

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Yes, far left. If you don't like someone calling you out on posting far left propaganda then don't post far left propaganda. - Draginol You aren't 'calling me out' on squat, what I don't care for is you attempting to lump the sources I've provided in with DU. I've asked you to explain what you mean by far left when these groups are about accountability for military spending. As I mentioned, if we were spending this amount of money on peanut butter research, how many people wou

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Moreover, if you're going to use a far left site as your "source" then I'm going to call you on it. - Draginol I did neglect the source(s) originally on this thread, I was not able to edit that first post to reflect the sources. I did post those sources in Taxes-Do We Pay Enough? post # 31 where you visited and interacted with me. WWW Link I have listed the source and am still awaiting your

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I'm willing to bet tha tif someone says no that bob isn't likely to be a big fan. - Draginol Sure, but why would someone say Bob isn't fair and decent? A simple yes or no answer doesn't do justice to the question, it's important to have a broader discussion as opposed to simply dividing people between their one syllable answer. Bakerstreet did well when he explained this with his polls versus essay discussion in post #3.

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Nice and clean, almost retro look is complemented by sleek and quick tool and option menus. Thumbs up.

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Do you like Bob or don't you like Bob. - Draginol Much different from, "is Bob good or bad", Draginol, as you know. Maybe I don't like Bob but maybe the whole of him is 'good'. Maybe he's such a mixed bag I can' t determine that at this moment. The fact is, the question presented was, "Is America a fair and decent country," not "HEY, YOU GUYS LIKE BOB?" Then we go trash everyone who says they

Reply to Where your tax dollar goes pie chart in Politics JoeUser Forums

I read that, and apply it. In reading other reports from other groups the most realistic number for military spending is somewhere between 42% and 62%. Nice to see an eye for detail.

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Especially given that you've now started regurgitating charts from the far-left fringe site warresistors.com. What's next? Reposting DemocraticUnderground talking points? - Draginol Far left - what? What makes them far left? I guess you'd accuse the FCNL; an anti-war Quaker group of the same thing. Their numbers are similar to those from warresisters. Here, go to their website. http:

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Deference's charts are from WarResistors.com. - Draginol Umm...Yeah. Like I mentioned in post #31.

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If you want to participate in meaningful debates, don't get your numbers or stats from Democratic Underground like sites. And don't assume that others posting aren't informed enough to know the propaganda. - Draginol Don't claim sources from here, don't claim sources from there, whatever, I can get a source from wherever I like and I don't appreciate you attempting to smear my sources by claiming them to be DU-Like. Obviously you are the one assuming others posting aren't 'infor

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The Social Security Trust Funds are the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund and the Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Fund. The OASI Trust Fund began in 1937; the DI Trust Fund in 1957. These trust funds are managed by the Department of the Treasury. - http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/funds.html Looks like the Social Security web page is telling us it is a trust fund (or a compilation of them). Whew, this reminds me of the time I tried to convince

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Exactly. SS isn't a trust fund. It's pay as you go. It is paid via current taxes. - Draginol A common mistake, but actually.... Social Security and Medicare trust fund revenues come from separate, dedicated payroll taxes - not income taxes, and benefits are paid from the trust funds , not general revenues . - FCNL (Friends Comittee on National Legislation)

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While one may argue that SS is a trust fund, we all know that to be a lie. - Dr. Guy Social Security is a trust fund that is continually robbed from by our 'representatives' which is why it is insoluble.

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The job of the FEDERAL government is spelled out in the constitution. Defense is its primary purpose. Actually, that is in the Preamble to the Constitution. A document Findlaw.com states is: ...[the preamble] is not a source of power for any department of the Federal Government, the Supreme Court has often referred to it as evidence of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution. ''Its true office,'' wrote Joseph Story in his COMMENTARIES, ''is to expound t

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The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending. For a more accurate representation of how your Federal income tax dollar is really spent, see the large chart (above). <img src="http://www.warresisters.or

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Hmm.... The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending. For a more accurate representation of how your Federal income tax dollar is really spent, see the large chart (above). <IMG src="h

Reply to Do Democrats hate America (or at least don't like it much)? in Politics JoeUser Forums

The decision is still being made? That's a total cop-out. - Draginol It doesn't suit your purpose but is very accurate. Deciding at this moment if everything that makes up America is good or bad as a whole is ridiculous. If people ask whether or not Deference was a good blogger, they could make a final judgement after I passed from JU, but if I was still here blogging, I would think the case would still be open and a fair, concise

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I don't know if that analogy is quite fitting (ooh, bad pun!) Kingbee. It simply seems to me, Mr. Roberts, that you are leaping on an opportunity to smack Draginol as opposed to attacking his argument(s).

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Draginol's history of posting at JU is quite extensive. He's written 1095 articles here at JU. I think declaring him to be small minded simply because of this one thread is premature. As I sincerely questioned before: Seriously, has somebody else taken over your blogging handle, Draginol? - Def. Post #18

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Though I am critical of Draginol's assertions, I'm not trying to personally attack him or accuse him of being small minded. If you're saying what I think you are, you should provide some links to prove your point and hopefully it has something to do with the topic of the thread.

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What binaristic vision you have Draginol. - Mr. Roberts I've accused another blogger here of the same thing. It may be a tactic used to polarize people and get them to choose sides however, and may not be indicative of one's actual reasoning. On a similar note, the use of O'Reilly-esque lines of questioning (yes or no) like that being used in the Rasmussen poll are objectively designed to serve purposes other then open discus